EA Rail Simulator
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Alexey91, do you have anything to backup your argument or have you simply not tried to use the RS route editor? IMO it's not far behind Surveyor.
Alberte, in order to have no hurdles or learning curve, RSDL would have had to simply release a copy of TRS or MSTS. Personally I would not see the point in buying a sim which did not require at least a bit of time to learn how to use it, it would be very boring if it had no new features...
Just noticed this post.... I don't seem to remember saying RS was bug-free, could you show me where I've said that?
There are well-documented design flaws in the signalling system, but as usual there are those who moan and whinge about it and there are those who just work with what they have whilst waiting for the patch. I have a number of scenarios set up with 10-15 trains arriving and departing Paddington in the space of five minutes, crossing tracks, waiting for other trains to depart etc... works fine for me. Until the patch comes out, the issue with train detection is easily avoided by ensuring trains simply start behind a signal and that trains start with at least one block between them. It is no worse a problem than TRS' inability to detect when two trains are travelling through eachother at a crossover. Auran have had seven years to fix that, RSDL are releasing a patch after only a couple of months.
Many people in the simming community (this isn't aimed at you!) seem to expect developers to release a picture perfect product with no requirement for improvements or post-release development, and to release it either on or before the original estimated release date. That's simply not how it works and I would have thought this would be common knowledge to anyone who owns a copy of Windows... I think it's very fair to say that RS as it currently stands is in a much better state than TRS2006 was when first released, another sim which half of the users happily played about with whilst the other half spent their time complaining about issues which had known workarounds and were being addressed by Auran.
People are used to what they have, and if a new product is slightly different or approaches an idea or concept from a different direction then people simply choose to complain rather than look at how it works.
It's the same over on the train-sim forum, where MSTS users have tried to edit consists by looking for a text file rather than deleting or moving the stock that's right there on the track in front of them, or where the concept of "jumping" to a different train is alien and, to some at least, absurd, much like the use of commands and the ability to move the camera around the cab rather than having a single viewpoint showing the track ahead and all the instruments.
To those of us who are actually having a good time with the sim it's very frustrating to watch people tearing their hair out simply because they can't grasp the concept that RS is not a clone of their previous simulator..
JB
Alberte, in order to have no hurdles or learning curve, RSDL would have had to simply release a copy of TRS or MSTS. Personally I would not see the point in buying a sim which did not require at least a bit of time to learn how to use it, it would be very boring if it had no new features...
Just noticed this post.... I don't seem to remember saying RS was bug-free, could you show me where I've said that?
There are well-documented design flaws in the signalling system, but as usual there are those who moan and whinge about it and there are those who just work with what they have whilst waiting for the patch. I have a number of scenarios set up with 10-15 trains arriving and departing Paddington in the space of five minutes, crossing tracks, waiting for other trains to depart etc... works fine for me. Until the patch comes out, the issue with train detection is easily avoided by ensuring trains simply start behind a signal and that trains start with at least one block between them. It is no worse a problem than TRS' inability to detect when two trains are travelling through eachother at a crossover. Auran have had seven years to fix that, RSDL are releasing a patch after only a couple of months.
Many people in the simming community (this isn't aimed at you!) seem to expect developers to release a picture perfect product with no requirement for improvements or post-release development, and to release it either on or before the original estimated release date. That's simply not how it works and I would have thought this would be common knowledge to anyone who owns a copy of Windows... I think it's very fair to say that RS as it currently stands is in a much better state than TRS2006 was when first released, another sim which half of the users happily played about with whilst the other half spent their time complaining about issues which had known workarounds and were being addressed by Auran.
People are used to what they have, and if a new product is slightly different or approaches an idea or concept from a different direction then people simply choose to complain rather than look at how it works.
It's the same over on the train-sim forum, where MSTS users have tried to edit consists by looking for a text file rather than deleting or moving the stock that's right there on the track in front of them, or where the concept of "jumping" to a different train is alien and, to some at least, absurd, much like the use of commands and the ability to move the camera around the cab rather than having a single viewpoint showing the track ahead and all the instruments.
To those of us who are actually having a good time with the sim it's very frustrating to watch people tearing their hair out simply because they can't grasp the concept that RS is not a clone of their previous simulator..
JB
You didn't say it was bug free. You did however imply all the bugs were minor in nature.
I'd contend that trains crashing into each other due to inadequacies of the signalling logic is more than a minor bug. And that is only one example I could pick. The fact that if there is stock missing, a mis-configured session, you try to attach track to a turntable in the wrong way, and many, many other things you get a crash to the desktop.
To be honest; for me it is rather acedemic anyway, I won't be giving it much use. The killer for me is that when you leave a train and jump to another it stops dead, it's still there when you come back to it half an hour later. I want a game/simulator, call it what you will, which allows me to control whatever train(s) I like while the computer takes care of the rest of the network. Leaving me free to jump in and out of whichever ones I please at will and manage the entire 'world'.
RS appears to be a train DRIVING simulator to me, that's boring, and not what I want. That's why I never really used MSTS (apart from it being rubbish, obviously
)RS can be as pretty as anything but if it doesn't provide the functionality I want then I'll not be using it. If it is what you want, go for it, I hope you enjoy it greatly. Just don't feel you have to convince everyone it is better than Trainz, because for many of us it will never be as it does not have any of the functionality we require.
Mike.
RS can be as pretty as anything but if it doesn't provide the functionality I want then I'll not be using it. If it is what you want, go for it, I hope you enjoy it greatly. Just don't feel you have to convince everyone it is better than Trainz, because for many of us it will never be as it does not have any of the functionality we require.
Mike.
That reflects my opinion to the tee. RS is not even a contender. Graphics alone do not make a successful simulator.
russellwhite2007
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I think Rs will take off and it will get better with time. I also think they will be more into fixing problem thats within the game instead of knocking out more "crap" Maybe I should not say that but thats the way see TC just the same as trs2004 and trs2006 with less stuff and a new interface.
I think auran could have done much better, ok so the graphics look a bit better what are they really doing just changing a little bit here and a little there. We want more than this and I think RS will give it to us over time. I've not had one thing go wrong with RS since install unlike Trs and TC. Ok so yes theres bugs but isn't there bugs in anything new?
It's like when you buy a car it's all fine untill you put it through it's m.o.t.
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