Coal transfer

[Richard_Dodge]

This is for "shortline 2 and or tdstead" Can TNG coal transfer (4 bins) be changed to 36 inch gauge (dumping) and Standard gauge (loading) setup?
What lines in the config file needs to be revised?
Would appreciate some help on this.
Thank you and have a good day.
Richard

 

[bigboy4010]

The track on the bottom should just change to whatever track you connect to it, though the top track stays what it is, which it should be 36in already unless you got the 30in revised version. But for standard gauge the track is really close to the supports. I guess it's a matter of finding out how to move the bottom track a little further away from the supports.

 

[Shortline2]

Hi,

The bins are really to small to work with a standard gauge track on the loading part, most standard gauge cars would have the tops above the chutes.
Also, the track attachment points in the model is to close to the chutes to really make a standard gauge track fit.

To change that, the model would need a revisit in gmax and a rebuild would be needed, I'm not sure if I'm up to that anymore - but a few basic info would help to figure out how much work would be needed.

Being the unload part is already 36 inch track, it would mean raise the model more of the ground, and move the center attachment points and decide on which standard gauge track to use.
But, the basic info I would need is to know which standard gauge cars this should work with, and how high/wide they are on the track so I could make sure the chute fits.

Being I don't run standard gauge for the moments, I don't have the urge do do the research needed to change the model.
If I can get the info easy, I will look into it.

Other then that, the info about which track are in the model is found in the config part, where the kuid would need to be changed.
The unload part has the track built into the model with a 36 inch gauge, the 30inch model just added a visible track to the config (without changing a few more bits in the description that I found a little strange was not done...)

I know this might not been as helpful as wished for, but I'm not that proud of that rush model and I don't have the energy to rebuilt it into a great model.

Best wishes

Linda

 

[Richard_Dodge]

Follow up for coal transfer

Bigboy4010. Thanks for your input. I did what you suggested and found out the lower track is to close. This is the section in the config file that needs to be revised to allow standard gauge track with the proper clearance away from the structure.
I just need direction on how to do this.
Richard

 

[Richard_Dodge]

Message to Linda

Linda,

Thank you very much for your feedback re coal transfer.

Here`s some suggestions or thoughts.
1. Could the lower"Loading track" be set to a lower elevation so the standard gauge hoppers would fit below the chutes. Also the "Lower loading" track would of course need to be moved further away-from the structure.
2. The hopper cars I am using are"Coal 2Bay Op CN".
A. Minimum clearance track center to structure track-side is Eight feet.
B. Average car with is Ten feet.*
C. Overhead clearance is twenty two feet.

*Therefore one half width equals Five feet, Then Eight feet minus Five feet
leaves Three feet clearance for the chute. I would suggest using Two
feet as a good compromise so the distance from center line of standard
gauge track to the structure would be Seven feet plus or minus.

D. the elevation from the chute to the "Lower track" is about seventeen
feet plus od minus.
E. I am using "AGS track(single).

I hope this helps out if you want to make the necessary changes.
Please have a good day.

Richard

 

[Shortline2]

Hello Richard,

I'm sorry I didn't get back to you before, but I've at least have had a play with gmax on & off the last month.

This image is taken inside TS2009 as I only uses that for my little Trainz play now a days - but the model it self is TRS2004 upwards in the config.

I've raised the bin about 1,7 meter off the ground, moved the center line for the lower track further out - and extended the bin it self upward with two more meters raising the amount it holds with quite many more liters.

I haven't split the coal load into separate bins though, but I reduced the triggers from 4 to 2 on the lower track, and thanks to wonderful help a few weeks back made two and two chutes work together.

I've added a little more braces to the bin side, off centered the upper track as else I would get problem with the 3' trestle track I uses that matches the bin textures as it interfered with the lower track.

I still need to add a few more braces and bents to the bin it self as it looks way to flimsy and not very correct - and then I need to fix the LOD for it.
May take a month more, but it is getting there. :wave:

If you want to have a play with it now, it can be arranged, it was the main reason for making this post int he first place actually.
I don't know which Trainz version you run, if it is TRS2004, TRs2006 or newer, but I can provide you with a zipped folder of the model as it now stand.
It is a little harder to get into the game as it is not a cdp file (as of now, it will be later) if you run TRS2004, TRS2006 onward should be easier due to CMP - especially easy in TS2009 as I can overwrite earlier models without need to up the version number - easy to test for me that way.

Either way, I will play some more with the look of it, but at least it seem to work.
I hope I have made the sizes fit you, I tried to use the hopper you mention, I used a view program to get the dimension of the hopper, and went from there.
I don't have that wagon/car in my Trainz install though, so I haven't actually tested it against the wagon you uses.

Best wishes

Linda

 

[Shortline2]

Hello,

For what it is worth, the bin is now available from the DLS, and hopefully in a few days also will be found on the TPR download depot.

KUID number is: [FONT=Verdana, Arial]77573:241581:1
Name is: [/FONT]NG36-SG Coal Transfer (4bins)
TRS2004 onward

I hope this will be of use to somebody, and I hope Richard that this will fit the setting you needed it for.
Let me know if there is anything I need to change.

It still uses the same track item, the invisible track, but the bottom, standard gauge track. will change into whatever you connect to it - while the upper track is modeled into the old style NG36 track I used on my old track.
Have fun with it.

Sorry it took so long, but I'm not very active in Trainz modeling anymore.

Best wishes

Linda