Campaign to retain full DLS for TRS2004/06

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The UTC case states,

"New features including"

"Seemless download and installation of custom content"

Nowhere on the case does it state where from, so Auran have NO legal or moral obligation to keep the DLS there.

With 04 it states that there is a total of over 15,000 items for download, so if you insist on 'legalities' who is going to choose the thousands of items to delete as Auran only need to have "over 15,000" to be legal if any judgment goes against them.

Blast I can't find my 06 case so I can't comment there, but I think you get my drift, be careful that you have the facts correct when threatening legal action and as with 06 there could be a nasty outcome even if you win.

you=the universal you not any particular person.

Cheers David
 
I would rather be one of those people than the poor fool who found out while his version was still in shipping from the Auran store.

Dave.....

Slow dial up. I was responding to Sampug's post about all the users who don't come here finding out the hard way they no longer have DLS access.
 
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pommie said:
The UTC case states,

"New features including"

"Seemless download and installation of custom content"

Nowhere on the case does it state where from, so Auran have NO legal or moral obligation to keep the DLS there.

With 04 it states that there is a total of over 15,000 items for download, so if you insist on 'legalities' who is going to choose the thousands of items to delete as Auran only need to have "over 15,000" to be legal if any judgment goes against them.

Blast I can't find my 06 case so I can't comment there, but I think you get my drift, be careful that you have the facts correct when threatening legal action and as with 06 there could be a nasty outcome even if you win.

you=the universal you not any particular person.

Cheers David
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No figure mentioned on the 06 case .. only has this > " Thousands of Downloadable Items " also , the DLS is not mentioned at all that I can find on the retail case.

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The selection at top right only has from Trainz classics 1 to tr10 so that does not apply.

It's a collection, that means the programs are old versions, but anyway I cannot find any reference to the DLS, and that is what all this is about, from the page you linked to

"Trainz Collection

Description

This massive collection includes:
# Trainz Railroad Simulator 2006
# Trainz Routes 1, 2, 3 and 4
# Trainz Railroad Simulator 2004
# Trainz Ultimate Collection
# Trainz Paintshed

Trainz Railroad Simulator 2006
TRS2006 takes you to the next level with over 25 complete routes and more than 50 immersive Driver activities. Communicate online with other users in game with Trainz iChat*, and expand your collection with over 80,000 additional items available to download free*. TRS2006 raises the bar for realism and immersion in operating a virtual railroad. TRS2006 is the most complete railroad simulation ever made!"

That is the only part that mentions downloads, it only claims two things,
1, there is over 80,000 items,
2, that they are free,

Well there would be over 80,000 items down-loadable for free wouldn't there???
So where are Auran contravening any laws??

Cheers David
 
To be fair, if you click on buy, this is the description you get.

"Description

The worlds[sic] most complete and in-depth train simulators have been gathered together to form Trainz Collection, a compendium of the most popular Trainz titles ever. From the classic to the cutting edge, this unique pack features the full version of everything you need to immerse yourself in the magic of rail: Trainz Railroad Simulator 2006, Trainz Routes 1, 2, 3 and 4, Trainz Railroad Simulator 2004, Trainz Ultimate Collection and Trainz Paintshed.

Journey through real world routes and complete a range of realistic missions or build and drive your own creations with the easy to use map builder.

With hundreds of thousands of players worldwide, Trainz offers interested players an unparalleled train simulation community, with a dedicated IRC chat room, online forums and full game support. Freely download thousands of items and share your creations online*. (*Online Connection Required)"

Link
 
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pommie said:
.....With 04 it states that there is a total of over 15,000 items for download, so if you insist on 'legalities' who is going to choose the thousands of items to delete as Auran only need to have "over 15,000" to be legal if any judgment goes against them.......
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Just being the devil's advocate here, but if only TS09/10 content remains on the DLS (which we all know will take quite a while to happen), then I can only find 2,427 such assets on the DLS. Well short of the 15,000.

Mike
 
The 15,000 figure was for 04, as stated in the quote :p
I have the downloaded version of 09 so I can't say if there is a figure stated on the box or not, maybe someone who bought the boxed 09/10 could chime in with the figure, if any, and if it mentions the DLS or if like the earlier versions just states downloads available.

Cheers David
 
I think this is a fair point - if Auran are still selling UTC, TRS04, TRS06, then they need to make it very clear to any potential buyers that support for these versions will end in September and to point people in the direction of the versions for which support continues. A clear statement on their main website and the Auran Shop would be a good idea.

Retro00064 said:
[...] As for any users who say they may quit content creation if this problem does occur in September, please don't go. Upload your stuff to the TPR DL Depot or set up your own free website and upload there. Notify people of your new stuff and where to get it here on the forums, and just let life go on.
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Excellent point - creators who are determined to stick with TRS04 and are not prepared to upgrade to higher levels of error checking/gameplay should start preparing now for their departure in September. As I said above, there's no reason why they can't continue to enjoy a Trainz afterlife post-September uploading to independent websites and such like for the small band of people who wish to continue playing legacy versions of the game.

Paul
 
I have downloaded 17.6Gb of assets for TRS2006, and am storing them on an external hard drive, and saving them as CDP's on a RW-DVD disk, so that I may continue to enjoy TRS2006 after September.

Get em while you can !

A couple month FCT would be a good investment. Download speeds are @ 370Kbs....and without a FCT it is @3Kbs.

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builder300544 said:
I,m confused now!

I thought if you bought an FCT, then you can continue to download after September??

Cheers, John
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I'm just being safe in case the 04-06 DLS content goes away forever.
 
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cascaderailroad said:
I have downloaded 17.6Gb of assets for TRS2006, and am storing them on an external hard drive, and saving them as CDP's on a RW-DVD disk, so that I may continue to enjoy TRS2006 after September. Get em while you can ! A couple month FCT would be a good investment. Download speeds are @ 370Kbs....and without a FCT it is @3Kbs.
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I,m confused now!

I thought if you bought an FCT, then you can continue to download after September??

Cheers, John
 
My computer is powerful enough to run TRS2010.....I think. But the simple fact is, I don't have a lot of money. What little I do spend on computer games is maybe $10 a month on little things....subscriptions on an MMO I play is $10 a month, I might buy a piece of payware here and there, Just got the new Jointed Rail Amtrak F40 today because I wanted another Amtrak engine.

I create excursively for TRS2006. All my routes (minus one) are done in TRS2006, all my content (SDP40F, CTA cars, Buildings, Signs, and so on) was all created in 06, though some can be used in TRS2004.

Why? Because I find it to be stable. Creating content is simple, you don't need complex mapping, bump mapping, fancy scripting. I can get away with building simple models in Sketchup, and exporting them into Trainz. Not because I do not want to take the time to learn better programs, because one, I cant afford better programs, and two, I don't have time right now to learn them. Why fix something that is not broken?

Sure my crappy models from sketchup need lots of cleaning up afterword, but I have friends willing to help me do just that. It works for me, and I don't want to change how I model.

If it comes down to it, I will host all my content on 3rd Party sites. Every last bit of it.

What amazes me is that I was just getting ready to upload reskins of Magiclands TRS2004 Bi-level coaches and Single level coaches for a route I am building in TC1&2 for the first time! These old cars work flawlessly in TC, however if 04 support is dropped, these cars will vanish, and there is nothing that I know of worthy of replacing them (hence why I used them!!)
 
Klinger said:
Why? Because I find it to be stable. Creating content is simple, you don't need complex mapping, bump mapping, fancy scripting. I can get away with building simple models in Sketchup, and exporting them into Trainz. Not because I do not want to take the time to learn better programs, because one, I cant afford better programs, and two, I don't have time right now to learn them. Why fix something that is not broken?
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Why do complex mapping, bump mapping and scripting if TS2010 doesn't need it then? But if you do you still don't need to spend any money.
Klinger said:
What amazes me is that I was just getting ready to upload reskins of Magiclands TRS2004 Bi-level coaches and Single level coaches for a route I am building in TC1&2 for the first time! These old cars work flawlessly in TC, however if 04 support is dropped, these cars will vanish, and there is nothing that I know of worthy of replacing them (hence why I used them!!)
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What amazes me is that people still believe this despite what Auran has posted. I suppose inventing a conspiracy is much more interesting than sticking to the facts.

Paul
 
builder300544 said:
I,m confused now!

I thought if you bought an FCT, then you can continue to download after September??

Cheers, John
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Hello John,

This should help clarify the position:

http://online.ts2009.com/mediaWiki/index.php5/Trainz_Life-Cycle_Policy

As I read it, buy an FCT and you can download as much as you want, but expect a cull at some stage - of some items.

However, uploads in 04/06 will not be permitted because the versions will no longer be supported.

What doesn't go up, will not come down. So you won't be able to download new assets with your purchased FCT - just old items that haven't been culled.

Cheers
Casper
 
Got my vote, and even if you were to create a clone of me who likes money and has an extremely high paying job, this would even get the clone's vote. I was thinking of posting this earlier.:D I feel that Auran are only doing this because they want to help the computer industries sell their overpriced super computers and so that they can sell more copies of their new ultra real sim. Hence, with the price of it, they'd earn super profit. They're doing this out of greed. Auran have now gone all of a sudden greedy for money.
 
I quite like the comparison with buying a car.
If I saw a new model of my 6 year old car at the dealers, decided it was a better car & bought it, the dealer would give me 'Trade In' for my old car.

How about Auran offering 'Trade In' for your old TRS2004/6 against TS2010 ?
A bit like a 'loyalty' discount, it would help you save some cash toward the upgrade your computer needs, to run the new TS2010. ;)
 
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