Building Train Sheds and Turntables

[FoxtrotZero]

Hey there.

I've been trying my first map in surveyor in TRS 2004, and so far its going okay.

The issue is, with the way i want to set it up, i want to have one of those sheds that hold multiple engines and a turntable. It appears in a couple of the Driver levels.

Anyway, i've been looking and looking through the various buildings, and i have not seen any kind of turntable or Engine shed. If anyone can either point out where to find it or tell me where to get one (hopefully with some help adding it in, i'm sorta new at this) that would be great.

--Fox

 

[Jerker]

G'day FoxtrotZero,

As far as I know there aren't any such structures readily available for download via the Download station. As to what there might be out there 'in the wild' is anyone's guess! However, if your need isn't urgent, might I implore you to wait for a month or two (or three - depending upon how long it takes me) until I can get my 'proposed' VR (Victorian Railways) "Ballarat" and "Melbourne" Engine Sheds completed...

...the "Ballarat" shed in overview...

...the "Ballarat" Shed 'internally' (showing the turntable)...

...and the "Melbourne" Shed overall...

..."Melbourne", again, with the roofs removed, showing the locations for the three internal turntables...

...providing, of course, that these buildings - constructed to VR design standards and all supplied with VR 5' 3" (1600mm) gauge track - are suitable for your purposes...

...having said that, however, I notice in your post that you mention something about...

"...It appears in a couple of the Driver levels..."

...which I understand to imply that there is such a structure you wish to use already 'installed' in a Driver Session in one of the routes you have extant in your copy of Trainz. If this the case, then that structure is already available for you to use for your own purposes in any route you care to use it...

Jerker {}

 

[Sek_Hakuna]

To Foxtrotzero:

Yeah, I went thru the same problem. Type in turntable in the query box, whilst in surveyor, and nada.

I knew they were there as I saw them on a few routes I have. So what I did was load up the route in surveyor, edit mode. That is, the route where I saw the turntable. Go find the turntable then use the query button to find the name of said item. Write it down then go back to the route being created and find it. One is called NSW turntable I believe. Another I have is called Tside turntable. There are several others. The engine sheds are there too.

Randy

 

[BLACKWATCH]

Try 'Roundhouse'.

 

[FoxtrotZero]

That is a good idea, and wouldn't have occured to me.

As for jerker, those are some pretty interesting ideas. I rather like the design.

The idea was going to be sort of a first attempt snowy place. The fact that Coal Deposits and some Oil were found out here make it a location of interest.

The location is simply the Delta Mountains, a location in my own little corner of my own reality.

Anyway, the idea i was having is there is a lot of regular quotas to be filled. Coal, crude oil, AV fuel, logs, container goods, all need to be going around. The player is left with a shed of various locomotives, with a turntable system to move them out, and next to it are a number of straight tracks with several type of cargo consists and a runaround, all to be ordered however the player wants (if they want every train at the head of a monster sectioned consist, they might have trouble getting to the airport or coal station with it.

The one thing that bugged me the most about all this was lack of a reliable way to create mesas or flat valleys.

 

[Jerker]

G'day FoxtrotZero,

If you look at the 'header' of this post, you will notice that under my 'nick' are the words "Australian DEM creator". Now, although that might imply that I concentrate solely on routes from Australia (which is the case, overall), I do, when specially requested, create routes for other parts of the world (if I have the time to do so), although I do not usually advertise this side of my 'service'. So, if you would like me to create a DEM based bare-bones route of the area you want to cover in your "dream route" (since it is based on a real location), you have but to ask (and provide me with appropriate details regarding limits, etcetera). In case you aren't aware of them, DEM based Trainz routes are routes that have been created using actual Digital Elevation Modelling data, which creates a route that has terrain that actually matches (within the confines of the resolutions of the available data) the real world...

...here's an example of my work (from a route "I prepared earlier") for one of your 'fellow countrymen' of a fairly well known location, using the 1/3 arcsec (10 meter) DEM data from N.E.D. with a Topographic map overlayed courtesy of Terraserver, along with the railway line further delineated by means of a standard Cyan coloured vector line (otherwise known as T.I.G.E.R. data)...

Jerker {}

 

[cascaderailroad]

WoW...That is some huge engine shed !!!!! Not even Altoona had one that gigantic ! But the buildings outside architecture resembles one of the Juniata Shops buildings.

 

[Jerker]

G'day cascaderailroad,

Yep, 'she' sure is 'a biggun'! It's some 770 YARDS long and 260 wide. each of those turntables are 70 feet in diameter, able to take all but the longest two classes of locomotives in the VR fleet. The design is a 'pared down', less intricate (and thus cheaper) version of the so-called VR 'Italianate Style' as used on the 'Echuca Shed' (an example of which can be seen in the relevant post by me in the Gmax renders thread), which is most probably based on LMS or LNWR practice, although the 'Italianate Style', I think, is based on GWR practice (but don't quote me on that)...

Jerker {}

 

[H222]

What 2, Heavy Harry (H220) and ??
Jamie

 

[FoxtrotZero]

Jerker, perhaps the error was in your reading or in my writing, and as great as your services are sounding, the locations i am mapping are, indeed, not real places. The first is for the purpose of not having to slave over the details of a map's reality (work best left to people like you, who are skilled at the work and enjoy doing it).

If you notice, i mentioned the area is in the Delta Mountains. Do you know of any places by such name? There are entire worlds, crisscrossing, intercepting, partitioning, and segregating in my head. I've just always found it easier than writing these things down, and it is a number of these unique locations - from the beautiful to the industrial - that i seek to replicate as best i can.

Good luck getting your terrain data from my noggin. XD

--Fox

Edit:

I was going to post a few things, insane things, but i've decided to leave it at the vauge.

A turntable, with multiple turntables on it. Or perhaps a multilevel turntable?
Perhaps the only problem with turntables (or with consists) is that they cannot load entire consists. Unless you want to move two flatbeds at a time...

 

[Jerker]

G'day JJDella,

Well, it seems I had that slightly awry. H220 (the so-called "Heavy Harry") was indeed, the only loco not able to fit onto our 70 ft turntables. For some inexplicable reason, I had convinced myself that the S Class locos were also too long but it turns out that they, like the R Class locos, have a short enough wheel base to enable them to just fit onto the 70 ft turntables with inches to spare (inaccurate stories from 'old timers' about various locos and tenders being split to turn them do not help to perpetuate the truth, either)...

G'day FoxtrotZero,

My most humble apologies are directed toward you too, Sire. It seems the 'fault' is at my end, caused principally by my 'lack of knowledge' of the "non-existence" of the place known as Delta Mountains (not being a 'local' and American geography not being one of my 'best subjects', you will understand and please excuse, the 'error').

Your most recent post has clarified matters completely. Aaah, the engineering complexities of a 1 kilometre long turntable?????? Hmmm, Perhaps that's the reason they 'invented' triangular junctions...

Jerker {}

 

[jrfolco]

Try this one on the DLS, Kuid 60238:28004 Santa Fe 120 ft turntable by Vulcan. It’s been around for some time, so be sure to tick all of the “Versions” boxes.

Regards, Joe