any opinions on Railworks2??

[theokus]

Really shocking you can recognise that too A rarity.

Pleased to meet you, Theokus the two-talent recogniser at the Trainz Forums.

One and zero is smaller. Lucky us! :clap::Y:

As I was afraid, this kind of iterative threads about the happy existence of RW always yields the same old story... Trainz being for dumbs and RW for smarties... like the chocolate pills. :hehe:

I'm also afraid that Michelangelo, Rembrandt or Rubens were given the best palettes and paints at the market. Children at schools have to buy the ones available and their parents can afford.

The dumbest side of Alberte, while having some smarties. :hehe:

Sorry, but I am not familiar with some of your expressions.
Who is Alberte?
I do know some English but not whole the way
But I do like Spain
(Magaluf (?), Tenerife, Benemaldena etc. etc.)

 

[zatovisualworks]

[Sorry, completely off-topic but good-mannered to answer a query]

Who is Alberte?

I really don't know and don't care either. Sometimes a clownish character, sometimes a loser, sometimes a helping hand, sometimes a humble creator, sometimes a side of many sides, sometimes a rainbow, sometimes a dumb, sometimes a dreamer, sometimes a bad guy, sometimes insane, sometimes too sane, sometimes... sometimes... sometimes...

The many sides side of Alberte :wave:

This is Alberte...

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

I really don't care about your replies either theokus.

If you did what you are doing here, about Trainz on a RW forum.

I guarantee at least the thread would be locked and on some of them, UKTS & ts.com a ban would not be unusual.

At least we are a bit more tolerant here and allow you to spout your heresy and witchcraft.

IKB.

 

[Beattie]

Sorry, but I am not familiar with some of your expressions.
Who is Alberte?
I do know some English but not whole the way
But I do like Spain
(Magaluf (?), Tenerife, Benemaldena etc. etc.)

Really what planet are you from that railworks more user friendly. Its design and use is for adults I hate how its not easy to use. Just because it has good graphics who cares if the game overall stucks its userface.

 

[Vern]

The physics in RW are very ropey.

Loco's that are still accelerating at 90 MPH or holding line speed on 20% throttle - and what's with all the percentage stuff anyway, most traction units have notches? Braking that relies on % movement of the handle and gives an emergency application - not positional stepped or set and lap braking. Kuju took that straight out of the MSTS cookbook for RS and it hasn't changed in RW or RW2. DMU's with Voith (hydraulic) transmission which as IKB says have sub Trainz DCC performance - in fact more like an old Triang transformer as there's virtually no inertia there at all. Each power notch is simply given a top speed regardless of gradient or track conditions, which it then holds - blatantly not correct. Much is being made on UKTS of the new Class 156 DMU which I admit I will probably end up buying, but not a great deal being said about the physics.

I have to disagree with Theo and express my view that physics are one of the most important factors in a train sim. Without accurate physics, it's not a simulation it's an arcade game. Part of the challenge is having slightly less power than you need and having to run flat out to try and keep time. Or for US freight operations, working out how many locos to use on your train to lift a load over a steeply graded mountain section. That is what real railway operations are all about.

 

[theokus]

I really don't care about your replies either theokus.

If you did what you are doing here, about Trainz on a RW forum.

I guarantee at least the thread would be locked and on some of them, UKTS & ts.com a ban would not be unusual.

At least we are a bit more tolerant here and allow you to spout your heresy and witchcraft.

IKB.

Ow, don't be like that.
It's only a question to know each other.
And that is not easy on a forum, at first
As for me, I tell no lies. I see what I see and I have some experience.
And it would not be the first time that we hang people because they tell a truth...

 

[zatovisualworks]

Believe me, dear Theokus, my sympathies go to you for I know how hard it can be to express your thoughts in a sacred land. I was massacred at the RS/RW forums for that.

But... please understand that we are long-time convinced trainzers (-many of us have also tested RS/RW the most unbiased way we can-) and yes, I agree, this is Sacred Trainzland, but not without having tasted some other broths not very well spiced and cooked.

Bear in mind that it's very difficult for us to understand your positions and very short-narrowed points of view about talents over here, since we know this home and its dwellers very well. Trainz is 10 year old and RW is much younger and untilled.

Your short history at these forums makes me think you haven't seen anything still over the place. Not hundreds but thousands of talented people crowding the creation and screenshots forums.

Despite my well-known separation from the DLS, I'll be always regarding it as the very source of tons of wonderful artistry and digital skills unsurpassed by no other commercial source of digital leisure software, mader by users and for users.

Are you wearing your glasses on? Please, maybe you are on your sunnies. or maybe you are down there in the Platonic Cave and gets dazzled when out in front of the universal Truth. :hehe:

Over here in Iberia we have a saying which puts:

"There's no such a blinder person than the one who doesn't want to see"

I would like to understand you but... I'm wearing my spectacles on.

The clear-seeing side of Alberte

 

[theokus]

The physics in RW are very ropey.

Loco's that are still accelerating at 90 MPH or holding line speed on 20% throttle - and what's with all the percentage stuff anyway, most traction units have notches? Braking that relies on % movement of the handle and gives an emergency application - not positional stepped or set and lap braking. Kuju took that straight out of the MSTS cookbook for RS and it hasn't changed in RW or RW2. DMU's with Voith (hydraulic) transmission which as IKB says have sub Trainz DCC performance - in fact more like an old Triang transformer as there's virtually no inertia there at all. Each power notch is simply given a top speed regardless of gradient or track conditions, which it then holds - blatantly not correct. Much is being made on UKTS of the new Class 156 DMU which I admit I will probably end up buying, but not a great deal being said about the physics.

I have to disagree with Theo and express my view that physics are one of the most important factors in a train sim. Without accurate physics, it's not a simulation it's an arcade game. Part of the challenge is having slightly less power than you need and having to run flat out to try and keep time. Or for US freight operations, working out how many locos to use on your train to lift a load over a steeply graded mountain section. That is what real railway operations are all about.

Hi Vern, I do understand, please believe me
For me it' s a game.
I guess there is nothing wrong with that, isn't it
I do like building scenery, build a route, placing scenery.
And I do admire people using all that technical stuff.
But I guess too that all that technical could scare off beginners.
In my case I don't feel the need to "torture" myself and dive in.
You are a few stages further then I am at the moment.
Nothing wrong with that and I do understand.

 

[theokus]

Believe me, dear Theokus, my sympathies go to you for I know how hard it can be to express your thoughts in a sacred land. I was massacred at the RS/RW forums for that.

But... please understand that we are long-time convinced trainzers (-many of us have also tested RS/RW the most unbiased way we can-) and yes, I agree, this is Sacred Trainzland, but after having tasted some other broths not very well spiced and cooked.

Bear in mind that it's very difficult for us to understand your positions and very short-narrowed points of view about talents over here, since we know this home and its dwellers very well. Trainz is 10 year old and RW is much younger and untilled.

Your short history at these forums makes me think you haven't seen anything still over the place. Not hundreds but thousands of talented people crowding the creation and screenshots forums.

Despite my well-known separation from the DLS, I'll be regarding it as the very source of tons of wonderful artistry and digital skills unsurpassed by no other commercial source of digital leisure software.

Are you wearing your glasses on? Please, maybe you are on your sunnies. or maybe you are down there in the Platonic Cave and gets dazzled when out in front of the universal Truth. :hehe:

Over here in Iberia we have a saying which puts:

"There's no such a blinder person than the one who doesn't want to see"

I would like to understand you but... I'm wearing my spectacles on.

The clear-seeing side of Alberte

My first serious love-one was an Iberian...
(Manuela Garcia from Granada: I miss here)
Sorry for the O.T

 

[zatovisualworks]

My first serious love-one was an Iberian...
(Manuela Garcia from Granada: I miss here)
Sorry for the O.T

:hehe: Sending our warmest greetings to Manuela!

Manuela, Theo is missing you, don't be cruel to him!

The gossiping side of Alberte :wave:

 

[mezzoprezzo]

~snip~
But I do like Spain
(Magaluf (?), Tenerife, Benemaldena etc. etc.)

Magaluf, Tenerife (south coast) and Benalmadena are not Spanish.

They are cosmopolitan tourist hellholes (IMHO), totally misrepresenting the true Spain.

Anyone who enjoys those resorts just wants to import their own northern Europen country habits into Iberia and the Islas Canarias whilst enjoy a decent climate. I guess they suit Railworks users, happy and content with an inferior option.

The real Spain is a delight – and so is Trainz.

Why not spend a few more hours exploring its limitless functionality and see what can be done with it. It might appear user unfriendly to you until you become more competent and experienced, simply because there is so much to do and learn. It might be a very much more positive use of your time.
.

 

[TRam__]

Loco's that are still accelerating at 90 MPH or holding line speed on 20% throttle - and what's with all the percentage stuff anyway, most traction units have notches?

At 90 MPH may it be you are right - the power of DMU is constant at so big speed. But at 10-20 MPH it is completely wrong - the power depends both from speed and from controller % (i mean power , not traction force)

 

[zatovisualworks]

The real Spain is a delight – and so is Trainz.
.

:hehe: Since this thread is an advertising board for Trainz beating RW 50-2 or 3 from the very beginning, why not some ads about my land, my city Vigo, the real Northwest of the Iberian Peninsula, Galiza?

More advertising tourist fun...

http://www.zatovisualworks.com/zvwphoto/

Galician track viewing...

http://www.zatovisualworks.com/zatotrainz/vigo_catenary/

The advertising side of Alberte :wave:

Thank you, dear Casper

 

[theokus]

Magaluf, Tenerife (south coast) and Benalmadena are not Spanish.

They are cosmopolitan tourist hellholes (IMHO), totally misrepresenting the true Spain.

Anyone who enjoys those resorts just wants to import their own northern Europen country habits into Iberia and the Islas Canarias whilst enjoy a decent climate. I guess they suit Railworks users, happy and content with an inferior option.

The real Spain is a delight – and so is Trainz.

Why not spend a few more hours exploring its limitless functionality and see what can be done with it. It might appear user unfriendly to you until you become more competent and experienced, simply because there is so much to do and learn. It might be a very much more positive use of your time.
.

Yes, you are right

 

[theokus]

Magaluf, Tenerife (south coast) and Benalmadena are not Spanish.

They are cosmopolitan tourist hellholes (IMHO), totally misrepresenting the true Spain.

Anyone who enjoys those resorts just wants to import their own northern Europen country habits into Iberia and the Islas Canarias whilst enjoy a decent climate. I guess they suit Railworks users, happy and content with an inferior option.

The real Spain is a delight – and so is Trainz.

Why not spend a few more hours exploring its limitless functionality and see what can be done with it. It might appear user unfriendly to you until you become more competent and experienced, simply because there is so much to do and learn. It might be a very much more positive use of your time.
.

You have to try them all he mezzoprezzo
Since 1987 I do only Tenerife > Puerto de la Cruz.
And in Tenerife there are NO trains...

I am Flemisch... and the Flemisch invented almost Tenerife.
(look it up if you have time)

 

[Alco_P-A]

Bash,Bash,Bash...

Here we go again bashing Railworks2. First of all there is no compairison of Trainz to Railworks2 because they are two different train sim games. Trainz is more like model railroading and RW2 is more like real railroading. Both have their good points and bad points about them such as sound,physics,etc. and it will be up to each person to figure out which one they want or like the best. It's all about one's taste. As of now there is no perfect train game out there. I have both and I have spent alot of money on both after buying them because of payware and I enjoy each one very much. Route building in RW2 is a learning curve but Trainz is too. People ask me which train sim should I buy and I tell them both sides of RW2 and Trainz and tell them to do some research on both of them and then decide which one you think is best for your train needs. I'm sure there are train basher's on both sides to go around but what is the point? Which ever one you decide to buy you will have hours and hours of fun with. Buy both and you can't go wrong.
Alco_P-A
bigboytrainsandhobbies.com

 

[theokus]

:hehe: Since this thread is an advertising board for Trainz beating RW 50-2 or 3 from the very beginning, why not some ads about my land, my city Vigo, the real Northwest of the Iberian Peninsula, Galiza?


More advertising tourist fun...

http://www.zatovisualworks.com/zvwphoto/

Galician track viewing...

http://www.zatovisualworks.com/zatotrainz/vigo_catenary/

The advertising side of Alberte :wave:

Thank you, dear Casper

Nice done.

I like Masca, Garachico, Icod etc.

 

[theokus]

Here we go again bashing Railworks2. First of all there is no compairison of Trainz to Railworks2 because they are two different train sim games. Trainz is more like model railroading and RW2 is more like real railroading. Both have their good points and bad points about them such as sound,physics,etc. and it will be up to each person to figure out which one they want or like the best. It's all about one's taste. As of now there is no perfect train game out there. I have both and I have spent alot of money on both after buying them because of payware and I enjoy each one very much. Route building in RW2 is a learning curve but Trainz is too. People ask me which train sim should I buy and I tell them both sides of RW2 and Trainz and tell them to do some research on both of them and then decide which one you think is best for your train needs. I'm sure there are train basher's on both sides to go around but what is the point? Which ever one you decide to buy you will have hours and hours of fun with. Buy both and you can't go wrong.
Alco_P-A
bigboytrainsandhobbies.com

Yes, you are right.
I have MSTS too (and Trainz and RW)
It's nobodies fault I was quick up and running RailWorks
I use Google SketchUp and Studio Max for scenery.

 

[Euphod]

Trainz is more like model railroading and RW2 is more like real railroading.

It's nice how you are being non-judgmental and all that, but this wasn't necessary. This is your opinion, and when viewed in the context of the rest of your post, it negates practically everything else you typed...

 

[zatovisualworks]

Buy both and you can't go wrong.

Hi guy,

And that's what many of us did... please, nobody should forget that; we aren't talking just for the sake of iterative talking... there seems to be a certain touch of misunderstanding on this.

you will have hours and hours of fun with

The fun level is unbalanced towards Trainz by tons. Those who could think I might be talking in a biased way just haven't met me for long enough time still. Trainzerism is not a religion, it's a tested conviction. :hehe: No, no, we're not playing Trainz in jail, I mean the other kind of conviction.

I completely agree with you that this kind of threads is unnecessarily iterative... but since they only occur from time to time, they are bearable and even funny.

The convicted-by-jury trainzy side of Alberte :wave: