any opinions on Railworks2??

[hminky]

Mmmm... on what planet??

Not this one!

The best US route, EK3, brings my system to it's knees because of compatibility mode. I can run Crysis full bore, if you don't know what that means don't talk systems.

I tried TPR's Elkhorn Extension a great US route, but running the scenario's was crappy due to Trainz inability to have good draw distance. You can't run a 70 car train when you only see 30 of them. It blips along in stutters and spits.

Maybe TS12 will advance Trainz past 2006.

Harold

 

[RRSignal]

Hi all, ive seen Railworks2 on the net, i dont know anything about it, but trainz is kind of annoying me, im wondering what everyones opinion on Railworks2 is???

I tried a Christmas demo; perhaps it's still available. But I won't buy it because of the DRM/product activation. I want to be able to use the product I purchase today years from now, and activation schemes eventually prevent that down the road; DRM/product activation is a form of forced obsolescence, among other things.

 

[amigacooke]

I very much enjoy running IOW network in RailWorks 2.

 

[stovepipe]

Buy it and try it. You will find you won't use Trainz as much.

Bought it, tried it, found I don't use RW at all. It's a snoozefest IMO.

 

[stovepipe]

I tried TPR's Elkhorn Extension a great US route, but running the scenario's was crappy due to Trainz inability to have good draw distance. You can't run a 70 car train when you only see 30 of them. It blips along in stutters and spits.

Harold

To provide a bit of balance, I should point out that the draw distance in RW ain't nothing to write home about. Not forgetting also the rubber banding issues and the sometimes frequent Something Bad Has Happened crashes. Nice.

 

[uracco]

. so yeah trainz can run on most computer even ones from 5 or 6 years ago.

So no trainz can not run on most computers and definetley not ones from 5 or 6 years ago. I have a 4 year old Dell Latitude D600 and trainz has a horrific run rate. About 6 frames per second-rubbish. I mean trainz needs a graphics card from Mars a processor that means forking out £100-£200 extra and a hard drive that adds £300-£400 to a normal laptop. Luckily, I have just purchased a new XPS with leading edge Nvidia graphics card with a 500GB of hard drive and an i3-370m processor and 64-bit Windows 7 home premium. Thank god for that! You really need a fairly up to date laptop to run Trainz, but I can run railworks 1 and 2 easily. But I do love Trainz though.
Uracco

 

[Ian_Coleman]

Re Railworks

Bought it. Tried it. Got nowhere with it. Returned to Trainz.

My main interest is in route building and running AI trains - something that Railworks is unbelievably bad at!

Ian

 

[NikkiA]

To provide a bit of balance, I should point out that the draw distance in RW ain't nothing to write home about.

'Oh look, floating wagons...'

2 minutes later (said wagons now 2m from the driver)

'Oooooh, there the wheels are!!'

 

[RRSignal]

So no trainz can not run on most computers and definetley not ones from 5 or 6 years ago. I have a 4 year old Dell Latitude D600 and trainz has a horrific run rate. About 6 frames per second-rubbish. I mean trainz needs a graphics card from Mars a processor that means forking out £100-£200 extra and a hard drive that adds £300-£400 to a normal laptop. Luckily, I have just purchased a new XPS with leading edge Nvidia graphics card with a 500GB of hard drive and an i3-370m processor and 64-bit Windows 7 home premium. Thank god for that! You really need a fairly up to date laptop to run Trainz, but I can run railworks 1 and 2 easily. But I do love Trainz though.
Uracco

When most people are discussing sims or games, it's assumed we're talking about desktops, not laptops. Laptops are generally far, far behind desktops in terms of performance and until recently, it was hard to even find one with non-integrated video that didn't cost as much as a car (ok, well, slight exaggeration there...) if you could find one at all.

As for video card, my GT240 that I paid $35 for (after rebate) in February runs at a consistent 60fps.

 

[Beattie]

So no trainz can not run on most computers and definetley not ones from 5 or 6 years ago. I have a 4 year old Dell Latitude D600 and trainz has a horrific run rate. About 6 frames per second-rubbish. I mean trainz needs a graphics card from Mars a processor that means forking out £100-£200 extra and a hard drive that adds £300-£400 to a normal laptop. Luckily, I have just purchased a new XPS with leading edge Nvidia graphics card with a 500GB of hard drive and an i3-370m processor and 64-bit Windows 7 home premium. Thank god for that! You really need a fairly up to date laptop to run Trainz, but I can run railworks 1 and 2 easily. But I do love Trainz though.
Uracco

Well if it was a laptop of course that stuck really bad 5 years ago and even some of todays laptops are bad still. I know it would work on a 5 year old computer because I had a dell optiplex 270 2.8ghz pentium 4 computer from 2006 so yea it will and it was under the processer min specs for trainz 2009 and still got most of the time 25 to 30 fraps with the everything on high and distance at 3000 so tell me now what wouldn't it work. sinse I got my new dell icore3 I 3.2ghz it was a huge difference in fraps now I get around 45 to 50.
so next time if its a laptop don't go there of course it couldn't back then run anything but serf the web really.

 

[wholbr]

Hi Everybody.
What no one seems to have given thought to in this thread is the cost issue between the two simulators.

My wife bought me RW2 as a present last Christmas along with the Exeter to Bristol add-on. My three daughters bought me six consists and engines as very very few come with the simulator and there is very little engines, carriages etc available as freeware.

By the time I got it all setup the cost exceeded one hundred and thirty pounds (British sterling) even if I did not pay it, and that was just to get the whole thing up and running.

Therefore, if you do not mind putting your hand very deeply into your pocket or handbag then RW2 can make a good driving simulator. However, it is nothing more than that in my opinion as using "world editor" to try and create routes would defeat the most determined train simulator enthusiast. All it did on my system was to continuously crash it which no other software seems capable of doing.

As far as available freeware is concerned, all I have found is scenarios which you can create yourself and as stated be prepared to put your hand in your pocket for everything else.

Bill

 

[BLACKWATCH]

I thought the cost of TS12 'Collectors Edition' was expensive at £97.00, but working out how much the equivelent content is in RW2, well TS12 is a bargain bucket price in comparison.

 

[zatovisualworks]

Hi B_W,

And that's why we all want to stay at Trainz at the bargain price of not more than €40 for the standard edition of Trainz 12 -which will be a collectible too :hehe: - hope not on my dusting shelves-.

The bargaining side of Alberte at the Flea Market :wave:

 

[wholbr]

Hi Everybody.

Hi B_W,

And that's why we all want to stay at Trainz at the bargain price of not more than €40 for the standard edition of Trainz 12 -which will be a collectible too :hehe: - hope not on my dusting shelves-.

The bargaining side of Alberte at the Flea Market :wave:

you are dead right in what you state there Alberte. whatever the cost of TRS 2012 is going to be, at least that can be the end of it.

With Trainz you then get a choice, there is plenty of freeware content about, or you can get excellent quality payware if you wish. The essential point is you get the choice.

With RW2 it is pay for the simulator and then keep paying from there on in for everything you want.

Bill

 

[mrscsi]

Not this one!

I can run Crysis full bore, if you don't know what that means don't talk systems.

Wow, is that really the threshold that one has to meet?

Apart from the obvious differences in game engines, and apart from one taking advantage of DirectX 10 with a DirectX 9c MINIMUM, and the other being a DirectX 9c maximum, I really couldn't understand why someone could run Crysis "full bore" and expect that to mean anything in relationship to a different game engine built for a different version of DirectX.

But since I know what the above "means" I guess I am qualified to "talk systems":hehe:

My system absolutely kills the Crysis2 benchmark, future Mark for DirectX 11 again it scored very well, Now does that mean that it's going to run Avery Drexel at a solid 200 frames a second? Not hardly:hehe:

Jet engine does what it does, will they revamp It one of these days? Maybe even replace it? Who knows…

Chances are if they did somebody would be in here complaining about it, might even be you

Now I'm going to hop off my soapbox and get back to re-skinning containers, only 30 To go…

 

[rjhowie]

And in I pop again with my regular groan about this alternative sim drag on here. I have lost count of the threads posted- what is it around 5 times it must be that someone keeps creating a comparison re Railworks and once again we go on this kick. I'm going to start geting a tape measure and every bit of string I can find. I just cannot fathom why there is a constant need to re-introduce this time after time after ...time!

 

[Retro00064]

With the valid points about how these threads might not be such a good idea, any way, I might as well give my 2 cents on RailWorks.

With (from other users' posts here) the RailWorks forum being so "offended" about people posting a negative comment to the point of banning them, that is enough to tell me that they are just a bunch of hooligans. They need to be denied the recognition that they crave (which includes purchasing RailWorks in the first place. Remember: do not feed the trolls), so that hopefully they will get a clue and wise up to their rocket temper. They already have a major good example to follow, which we are posting on right here. N3V seems to be quite tolerant of the common complaining about Trainz and even N3v itself that goes on in these forums, and they deserve the recognition for being so right-minded and generous. Then look at the RailWorks forums, which do not have the actual godly sense like that. That is enough to tell me that buyers should beware of them, just to hopefully get the point across that their actions on their forums is ridiculous.

Okay, rant over now.

Regards,

Retro00064.

 

[Forest_Runner]

I have lost count of the threads posted- what is it around 5 times it must be that someone keeps creating a comparison re Railworks and once again we go on this kick. !

NO!! NO!! NO!!... and herein lies the misguided perception about the original post. Maybe an understanding of basic English is required before attempting to shovel that garbage down everyone's throats.

The original poster asked for some feedback and opinions on RW2... nowhere did he/she make it a comparison vs Trainz/TRS/TS.

Typically, members evolve the thread into a comparison because they become so narrow minded and moronically precious about their favourite sim. Notice how it's certain members who repeatedly do this? (rhetorical).

 

[amigacooke]

NO!! NO!! NO!!... and herein lies the misguided perception about the original post. Maybe an understanding of basic English is required before attempting to shovel that garbage down everyone's throats.

The original poster asked for some feedback and opinions on RW2... nowhere did he/she make it a comparison vs Trainz/TRS/TS.

Perhaps my knowledge of English is lacking, but Trainz is mentioned by the original poster in unfavourable terms. An implicit rather than explicit comparison.

 

[backyard]

Yes...

Forget it, don't waste you time & money like I did...just because it was a train simulator.