any opinions on Railworks2??
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IsambardKingdomBrunel
Joined June 2001
Yeah i own it, never use it and it's crap.
IKB.
IKB.
BLACKWATCH
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I'm sure everyone on the Railworks2 forums will say it's fantastic.
Wasn't very impressed with the scenario I tried, not a patch on Trainz.
Wasn't very impressed with the scenario I tried, not a patch on Trainz.
zatovisualworks
Veteran but blossoming
..Or closing it forever... 
Actually, contrary to all the nay sayers here, RW is very good at what it does - which is to allow run trains through realistic schedules in realistic environments. It does not easily allow you to create new routes or sessions of your own - but then that was never claimed as its strong point.
I got a copy cheap last year - maybe you can find a bargain too. It makes a nice break from all the hassle Trainz can inflict on you.
I got a copy cheap last year - maybe you can find a bargain too. It makes a nice break from all the hassle Trainz can inflict on you.
chunkpowers
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it has it's pro's and con's i own it's not as bad as tese guys are making it seem i still play it from time to time but i still tend to favor Trainz it kinda like an updated MSTS but better the biggest down fall is the most of the addons are payware
Well, yeah, they will - you get banned if you say anything negative about it.
As for my opinions on it? Well, I've run railworks for a total of 1 hour since the 'version 2' upgrade (which wasn't nearly worth justifying calling it railworks 2, and there are rumours that the update with improved lighting will be called 'railworks 3' for further gaming of the press/awards systems). In the same time period trainz has been running for about 200 hours, and thats not including time in CM, or of course time in 3d modelling creating items
Simulation of the Year
Hi kowboy --
There have been several threads about RailWorks. Just do a search using "railworks" and you are bound to find them. You would be better advised to append comments on those threads rather than start another.
Anyway, the good news about RailWorks is that it did win the Game Industry "Simulation of the Year" award. This fact was extensivley publiciised by the RailWorks group.
The bad news (and this was not mentioned in any of the RailWorks publicity) was that the only competitors for the prize were were:
Landit Bandit
Food Network: Cook or Be Cooked
My Boyfriend
"Well, yeah, they will - you get banned if you say anything negative about it."
Unfortunately that's all too true at both train-sim and UKtrainsim. There was a thread about the above prize on both sites. My comment about the level of competition lasted about 15 minutes before it was removed. On both sites RailWorks staffers are quick to press the panic button if there are any adverse posts, and the Moderators remove the post immediately.
The only place where comments can be made freely seem to be here. But as I said, it would be better to add to the existing threads.
Enjoy.
Phil
Hi kowboy --
There have been several threads about RailWorks. Just do a search using "railworks" and you are bound to find them. You would be better advised to append comments on those threads rather than start another.
Anyway, the good news about RailWorks is that it did win the Game Industry "Simulation of the Year" award. This fact was extensivley publiciised by the RailWorks group.
The bad news (and this was not mentioned in any of the RailWorks publicity) was that the only competitors for the prize were were:
Landit Bandit
Food Network: Cook or Be Cooked
My Boyfriend
"Well, yeah, they will - you get banned if you say anything negative about it."
Unfortunately that's all too true at both train-sim and UKtrainsim. There was a thread about the above prize on both sites. My comment about the level of competition lasted about 15 minutes before it was removed. On both sites RailWorks staffers are quick to press the panic button if there are any adverse posts, and the Moderators remove the post immediately.
The only place where comments can be made freely seem to be here. But as I said, it would be better to add to the existing threads.
Enjoy.
Phil
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Buy it and try it. You will find you won't use Trainz as much. Sure it has it's bad points but Trainz has more warts.
Also try Open Rails with MSTS, it runs MSTS very well and eliminates all the snarki-ness of MSTS.
Most of these guys are "homers" still running 2004 and whining about 2010 sitting on their hard drives.
All the sims have problems and benefits.
Harold
Edit: It has real junctions and is just as easy to build a route as Trainz
Everyone talks about "scenario's" or "sessions" in Trainz, one of the reasons I use the other sims is there are no sessions available for the routes in Trainz. That is why I always run Open Rails or Railworks. Most of the scenarios for American routes in Trainz are lame. You can't run your own scenarios it is like playing your own levels in a shooter.
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Railworks is great if you want rail simulation, but poor if you want to route build, I have found Trainz a superb route building sim, which is very easy to use...
As for adding content, you can buy a Lifetime First Class Ticket for just one price, and you have all the access you need, to all the content you need, However, with Railworks you can buy add on packs, which I believe in the long run may cost more than a Lifetime First Class Ticket...
I must have to agree the content with Railworks and the add on packs are of superb quality, but Trainz is catching up, and with its individually talented content creators fixing errors and problems along the way, they are producing some of the finest content available on the DLS...
If Railworks had an easy to use surveyor like Trainz does, then I would be using Railworks a lot more, only because it's less demanding on lower end computers, I have found Trainz can grind some of the best computers to a crawl, which is such a shame for a great program.
The main item to point out is, if you are finding it hard to build routes in Trainz, then you will be totally lost and baffled by Railworks, like I was...
Hope this helps, and by the way I have both Trainz and railworks on my system, and I enjoy both for different reasons.
Joe Airtime
As for adding content, you can buy a Lifetime First Class Ticket for just one price, and you have all the access you need, to all the content you need, However, with Railworks you can buy add on packs, which I believe in the long run may cost more than a Lifetime First Class Ticket...
I must have to agree the content with Railworks and the add on packs are of superb quality, but Trainz is catching up, and with its individually talented content creators fixing errors and problems along the way, they are producing some of the finest content available on the DLS...
If Railworks had an easy to use surveyor like Trainz does, then I would be using Railworks a lot more, only because it's less demanding on lower end computers, I have found Trainz can grind some of the best computers to a crawl, which is such a shame for a great program.
The main item to point out is, if you are finding it hard to build routes in Trainz, then you will be totally lost and baffled by Railworks, like I was...
Hope this helps, and by the way I have both Trainz and railworks on my system, and I enjoy both for different reasons.
Joe Airtime
Given that a lifetime FCT is £77 normal price, and the normal price of railworks addons is £736, there shouldn't really be much doubt about the relative cost
And yes, I'm aware that includes *some* 3rd party DLC, and I'm also aware that it occasionally goes on sale for £150.
Took the words from my mouth. User content for Trainz is by far, much easier to get hold of and with a huge variety of era's,regions and many are of great quality and all for free thanks to its community of habitual builders and multitude of web sites hosting various files.
I did a price check for all the addons for Railworks (I have both installed too) and it would set me back about $1300AU and would end up with less items.. than a trainz default install has.
Trainz for me still has that model look to it, and when they released the addon for 'model trainz' (or whatever it was called, build on tabletops,carpets etc) , well that was an idea I'd come up with years ago and when i saw the screenshots of it i thought.. yup, perfect!!
Railworks for me is like BVE on steriods, I mainly only use electrics in railworks, tho i did buy a nice route made by Rich Garber and have enjoyed shunting on it with the odd default diesel. Its too hard to work out how to drive steam yet but then if wasnt for trainz simple control DCC i probably wouldnt of driven them much in Trainz either. And the route building in RW, I just cant get my head around
Best thing anyone can do, is buy both and enjoy
IsambardKingdomBrunel
Joined June 2001
I don't know how you come to that conclusion. The physics are at best "toy train", even the DCC physics in Trainz are better.
The signaling is at best of the basic variety. I mean come on, signals clearing on single track routes, in the opposite direction of player train movements, ( Falmouth Branch as one example ).
No AI shunting, no AI marshalling of train consists.
The general AI intelligence, is far below what the latest versions of Trainz is capable of.
RW is very good for taking pretty screenshots and that is about it.
IKB.
Plus the fact that it takes very strong graphics card and computer to run the beast. Trainz really
doesn't need a good graphics card or processer
Forest_Runner
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Took the words from my mouth. User content for Trainz is by far, much easier to get hold of and with a huge variety of era's,regions and many are of great quality and all for free thanks to its community of habitual builders and multitude of web sites hosting various files.
I did a price check for all the addons for Railworks (I have both installed too) and it would set me back about $1300AU and would end up with less items.. than a trainz default install has.
Trainz for me still has that model look to it, and when they released the addon for 'model trainz' (or whatever it was called, build on tabletops,carpets etc) , well that was an idea I'd come up with years ago and when i saw the screenshots of it i thought.. yup, perfect!!
Railworks for me is like BVE on steriods, I mainly only use electrics in railworks, tho i did buy a nice route made by Rich Garber and have enjoyed shunting on it with the odd default diesel. Its too hard to work out how to drive steam yet but then if wasnt for trainz simple control DCC i probably wouldnt of driven them much in Trainz either. And the route building in RW, I just cant get my head around
Best thing anyone can do, is buy both and enjoy
I concur with both of these posts. They're unbiased, sensible and obviously from a pair of people who have invested some time in using RW2.
MY kicks from RW2
- animated points out of the box, and actually match the remainder of the track as well.
- runs exceptionally well on my PC.
I'm not going to launch into one vs the other... similar to Bow's mindset... have both and enjoy.
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Forest_Runner
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Mmmm... on what planet??
Compared to railworks. I mean I was running trainz before my dell icore3 on a 2.8ghz pentium 4 dell opixlex 270 this was on trainz 2009 with 20 to 30 fraps on most route with the all settings high detail except distance was 3000 if it was 5000 it had to be a to so busy route. so yea trainz can run on most computer even ones from 5 or 6 years ago.
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