Need more info on ECML - London to Edinburgh

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amzolt

A Flying-Half-Scotsman
I've been using Trainz since around April 15th...

I also got T:ANE -- which I prefer...

Tried most of the free scenarios -- like the ECML one best (probably 'cause I'm half Scottish -- mom's side...)...

I'd like any and all supplementary information about ECML -- maps, listings of side spurs (alternate routes...), most anything...

I'm sure the more I use it the better my questions can be :cool:
 
Addendum on post about ECML...

I went ahead and got more routes in England and Scotland...

So...

Along with in-depth info on ECML (not just history of the real line; but, substantive, working knowledge about the Trainz routes...) I now could also use the same kind of info for the runs on the "Settle and Carlisle" routes :eek:
 
Just realized it might be important to know (as far as info I can use with ECML & Settle and Carlisle) that I'm almost exclusively interested in Passenger travel :cool:
 
Hi

In the UK track and timetable information is published by Network Rail. The track layouts are called Sectional Appendices and the current ones are available here

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/indus...anies/national-electronic-sectional-appendix/

Scroll right to the bottom of the page to the PDF versions and you want the London North Eastern and Scottish ones to cover the ECML. Older paper versions for the 1970s are usually available on ebay.

The current working timetables are available here

http://archive.nr.co.uk/browseDirec... Timetable (WTT)\2 - December 2016 - May 2017

The ones for the ECML begin with Y and the Scottish ones begin with GC

Again if you want them for the 1970s they come up on ebay but you will need to be patient, as acquiring a complete set for one year for the ECML can take quite a long time.

This website will help with S&C info and has working timetables for passenger and freight for 1960 which is the correct period for the add on.

http://steverabone.com/Hellifield Website/

Passenger services in that period were very infrequent and there doesn't seem to be many freight trains either. However there were many freight trains that ran on an as needed basis which weren't shown in the working timetable.

This website has a wealth of information of deltic diagrams and public timetables from the deltic era on the ECML

http://www.napier-chronicles.co.uk/menu.htm

Hope that this is of some help.

Regards

Brian
 
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Kennilworth said:
Hi

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Hope that this is of some help.

Regards

Brian
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A Great help! Thanks---I thought I'd found all the schedules already (but, the ones I found were simple diagrams)---I was wrong :)

So... Will some of the links show where all the branch-spurs (if that's what they're called...)in the trainz version go; or, who uses them?

Thanks again! :)
 
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Hi again

Each Sectional Appendix will show all of the tracks in that region. You need to remember though that the current one will have little resemblance to the route in T:ANE as in the intervening 40+ years much of the track has been simplified and the ECML has been electrified. It also takes a different route between Selby and York. In the 1970s the whole of the railways in the UK were nationalized so there was just one operator, British Railways. Today there are many different private companies running on the route and these can change every few years when the franchise comes up for renewal.

Try exploring the Network Rail website as there is a tremendous amount of information on there.

This is another useful website http://www.limitofshunt.org.uk/document-library/sectional-appendices which has examples of the Sectional Appendices for a number of different years including a couple for the northern section of the ECML in the 1970s.

Regards

Brian
 
Kennilworth said:
Hi again

Each Sectional Appendix will show all of the tracks in that region. You need to remember though that the current one will have little resemblance to the route in T:ANE as in the intervening 40+ years much of the track has been simplified and the ECML has been electrified.

Regards

Brian
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Thanks, Brian -- so, what year is the version of ECML in T:ANE?

Hope that's not a dumb question :eek:
 
Please you like the ECML. It continues to be updated and has some interesting things to come. The route which was built by a team has long gone and I'm the only person who continues upgrading the route. It takes up massive amounts of my time but feel it worth the effort.

The real ECML is just this -

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Uk_outline_map_with_ECML_railway.PNG

The whole of the UK rail system is here. Zoom in and out for different lines.

http://www.openrailwaymap.org/


Some interesting links below about the ECML in general

A couple of weeks ago a 100 MPH test run of a steam engine between York and Newcastle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVJ44-hqgF4

What a Deltic sounds like at 100 MPH Im the engineer on this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6gd1OECL_8


Ive not updated these pages for a long time but you get the idea. The first link include details of a simulator in one of our Deltic locomotives. This has been out of action for around five years as I don't have the time to look after this while also building the route at home and looking after the Deltic locos that I drive and work on. There is now a two person team who this year will hopefully get to the stage of fully restoring to operational condition again with my help.


http://thedps.co.uk/simulator/296-2/

http://thedps.co.uk/ecml-projectintroduction/


A bit about our locos. We are using Alyicdion next Saturday on a railtour from near Derby ( not part of the ECML ) over to Hull and down to London Kings Cross via the Joint line ( Lincoln ) and the Hertford loop. Before returning in the evening from the Cross in a high speed run to Leeds ( turn left off the ECML just north of Doncaster station )

http://thedps.co.uk/our-locos/


Last weekend was a special event with certain 'units' operated by Virgin and and a steam engine called Flying Scotsman running side by side just North of York. Deltic D9002 operating the opposite end of Scotsman for when ruining in the opposite direction. Watch as -2:34:20

https://www.facebook.com/virgintrainseastcoast/videos/1868296883429560

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEyPw2I-o74


Flying Scotsman came through where I live this morning on the ECML hauling a speical railtour from Kings Cross which runs once a year traveling all the way round most of Britian with different steam engines.

http://www.railwaytouring.net/travel-tours/the-great-britain-tour

The following is an intresting link about the real ECML.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Coast_Main_Line


Hope thats some good info for you


Cheers
Stuart

ECML Project Leader
 
Thank you, Stuart, for all the Lovely links---especially the videos :)

I'll study all the information---it will help me immerse myself in the Trainz simulator...

I've been by your house in the ECML scenario in Trainz :cool:
 
Hi

The route is based in the mid 1970s prior to early 1977 when the track layout at Kings Cross was changed considerably to simplify train movements into and out of the station.

Regards

Brian
 
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