Yorkshire Railway Stations Height Datum

Not sure that information is recorded or readily available. Closest you are going to get is going to Streetmap UK and using the Ordnance Survey map to check nearby contours or spot heights, or see if Google Earth shows elevations in that area.
 
You can get pretty good references too using Google Earth, the downloaded application and not the online maps. I found them to be relatively close to what I needed when I compared my data on a DEM file versus what I saw in Google Earth. The difference was about 3 meters with Google Earth being a bit higher in those places. This may have been due to the resolution of the download and my 5 meter grid I used on the route.

John
 
...Does anyone know where I could find the Actual Bench Mark Height Datum for the track through stations in Yorkshire...

The free UK DEM data from OS is at too low a resolution to give anything near accurate results, you might get away with it in the flat lands of the Cambridgeshire Fens (where I live now) but in Yorkshire (where I lived for many years) a large proportion of the land is relatively steep hills and valleys which throws the low res DEM data right off. Also, because of the nature of the terrain, much of the railway is in tunnels, cuttings or on embankments.

I speak from practical experience because, not that long ago, I tried to define accurate levels for the line between Skipton and Leeds (which still exists so that helps). Starting with a DEM using the OS data and comparing it with spot heights deduced from OS paper mapping and also cross checking Google and any other sources I could find including gradient diagrams I soon discovered that even just doing this short stretch of line with any degree of accuracy would be a mammoth task. Doing the whole of Yorkshire (especially as it was at the peak of development) would be near impossible.

More accurate DEM data is available but, at least for me, the cost was prohibitive (£ several hundreds) and Transdem (then) was not able to handle the data - although it may now.

The only other dead accurate source of data, for existing lines only, that I can think of would be from the track measurement vehicles, but no doubt that data will be regarded by Network Rail as a state secret.

Chris
 
Hi

I've looked for height data in the past but never been able to find it. The Network Rail website contains shed loads of information including downloadable PDFs of the current Sectional Appendix http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/10563.aspx?cd=1 but that doesn't include height data. If you download it the one named London North Eastern contains most of Yorkshire. There is the more comprehensive National Electronic Sectional Appendix but that seems to be only available for rail industry professionals and customers.

Google Earth is useful but only seems to give approximate heights as such things as cuttings and embankments show the same height as the surrounding terrain. I don't have any GPS equipment so I don't know if that could be helpful in this situation.

Regards

Brian
 
The free UK DEM data from OS is at too low a resolution to give anything near accurate results, you might get away with it in the flat lands of the Cambridgeshire Fens (where I live now) but in Yorkshire (where I lived for many years) a large proportion of the land is relatively steep hills and valleys which throws the low res DEM data right off. Also, because of the nature of the terrain, much of the railway is in tunnels, cuttings or on embankments.

I speak from practical experience because, not that long ago, I tried to define accurate levels for the line between Skipton and Leeds (which still exists so that helps). Starting with a DEM using the OS data and comparing it with spot heights deduced from OS paper mapping and also cross checking Google and any other sources I could find including gradient diagrams I soon discovered that even just doing this short stretch of line with any degree of accuracy would be a mammoth task. Doing the whole of Yorkshire (especially as it was at the peak of development) would be near impossible.

More accurate DEM data is available but, at least for me, the cost was prohibitive (£ several hundreds) and Transdem (then) was not able to handle the data - although it may now.

The only other dead accurate source of data, for existing lines only, that I can think of would be from the track measurement vehicles, but no doubt that data will be regarded by Network Rail as a state secret.

Chris

You cannot expect miracles from 50 m DEM data. But when O/S released Land-form Panorama for free a few years ago I compared TransDEM generated DEM contour lines with the O/S 1:25k topo map ("Explorer" series) and found the match quite good, much better than with SRTM 3 arc sec which is still our standard resource for many other parts of Europe and the world. See this posting from 2010:

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?49378-TransDEM-2-0-now-available&p=636596#post636596

These shots were taken a bit further south from Skipton, between Hebden Bridge and Todmorden, on the Rochdale Canal (and railway).

Meanwhile Land-form Panorama has been replaced by successor product O/S Terrrain 50, still with the same horizontal resolution but improved height quality.

Nevertheless, this scale is too low for cuttings and embankments, to determine accurate grades, or obtain track level height marks at railway stations. You will need other sources for that. But to form the surrounding landscape, the O/S DEM should be able to do the job.
 
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