Why doesn't Windows 7 like Trainz 2010

[airtime]

Hello to anyone who can help me,

I was running Windows XP in 32 bit mode, and I installed Windows 7 32 bit mode, but for some reason it doesn't like Trainz 2010, so I have gone back to Windows XP for now...

What I mean by it doesn't like Trainz 2010 is, whenever I open Trainz 2010 and choose a route, for example ECML York to London, the route doesn't appear to load and none of the others do either, all I get is Task Manager appearing, stating that Trainz 2010 is not responding, I got all the green ticks after I installed, so I am lost...

I did try a fresh install of Windows 7 64 bit, but my computer doesn't want to know that at all, it throws up an install box, followed by a blue screen with flowers on it, and that is as far as it gets...

So my question is, what do I need to be able to run Windows 7 64 bit and Trainz 2010.

Here are my computer specs...

Windows XP professional with service pack 2
PCIe GeForce GTS250 512Mb DDR3 DVI/HDMI, VGA, TV-Out
asus p5b skt-775 core 2 duo ready ddr2/6blan
320gb maxtor sata hard drive 7200rpm 8mb cache oem
Pentium intel core 2 duo e6600 2.4ghz skt775 fsb1066 4mb cache
7gb 240pin ddr2-667 9pc2-5300) dimm - cl4

Many thanks in advance to anyone who can help

Joe Airtime

 

[bolivar]

Hi there Joe. I am running Trainz2010 on Windows 7 , 64 bit system. I run it successfully and fully functioning as an administrator. Also have you made your routes favourites when in surveyor menu?

 

[shaneturner12]

In Windows 7, make sure you are running Trainz as administrator.

To do this:

1.Right-click the Trainz shortcut.
2.Click Properties.
3.Click Compatiblity.
4.Click in the box marked 'run this program as administrator'
5.Click OK.


Also, make sure there are no open for edit assets.

Shane

 

[airtime]

Hi there Joe. I am running Trainz2010 on Windows 7 , 64 bit system. I run it successfully and fully functioning as an administrator. Also have you made your routes favourites when in surveyor menu?

Thank you bolivar for your helpful reply, I never knew about the administrator thing, I ran it under my user name, as I'm the only one who uses the computer.

In Windows 7, make sure you are running Trainz as administrator.

To do this:

1.Right-click the Trainz shortcut.
2.Click Properties.
3.Click Compatiblity.
4.Click in the box marked 'run this program as administrator'
5.Click OK.


Also, make sure there are no open for edit assets.

Shane

Thank you Shane for your helpful reply, I will follow your instructions above and I will hopefully have more luck with Trainz 2010.

Many thanks guys for your very helpful advice, it was very much appreciated.

Joe Airtime

 

[clam1952]

If Win7 64 bit isn't installing that says to me you may have a hardware problem, it's a bit more fussy than XP when installing, may be accessing a bad area of ram that XP can't use or see.

Check ram seated properly and test for errors and and disk likewise. 7GB of ram or is that a typo? that seems a very odd value as that board should have matched pairs to run in dual channel and 7GB will effectively put it in single channel mode.

 

[Davie_UCF]

I'm on Windows 7 32bit and running TS10 fine with no problems.. not using run as admin either.

David

 

[airtime]

If Win7 64 bit isn't installing that says to me you may have a hardware problem, it's a bit more fussy than XP when installing, may be accessing a bad area of ram that XP can't use or see.

Check ram seated properly and test for errors and and disk likewise. 7GB of ram or is that a typo? that seems a very odd value as that board should have matched pairs to run in dual channel and 7GB will effectively put it in single channel mode.

I think you are right Clam, I have installed Windows 7 32 bit, as it is fussy and at the minute does not like 64 bit. The 7gb is right, as you say, this may also be causing me problems.

But I have noticed a problem, Trainz 2010 freezes and a horrible growling noise comes from the speakers, I only upgraded the memory and graphics card on Friday just gone, this growling and freezing never happened before, below are my old specs and my new specs, hope this helps...

OLD SPECS
Windows XP professional with service pack 2 (32 bit)
pci-e gforce 7300gt 256mb vga, dvi, tv-out
asus p5b skt-775 core 2 duo ready ddr2/6blan
320gb maxtor sata hard drive 7200rpm 8mb cache oem
Pentium intel core 2 duo e6600 2.4ghz skt775 fsb1066 4mb cache
4gb 240pin ddr2-667 9pc2-5300) dimm - cl4


NEW SPECS
Windows 7 (32 bit)
PCIe GeForce GTS250 512Mb DDR3 DVI/HDMI, VGA, TV-Out
asus p5b skt-775 core 2 duo ready ddr2/6blan
320gb maxtor sata hard drive 7200rpm 8mb cache oem
Pentium intel core 2 duo e6600 2.4ghz skt775 fsb1066 4mb cache
7gb 240pin ddr2-667 9pc2-5300) dimm - cl4

New and replaced items are in BOLD

Under my old specs (Windows XP), Trainz 2010 ran ok, but did struggle with the ECML route, I never made it to London, it would stutter from York, then the computer would crash on me around Doncaster, I assumed it might be a lack of memory.

Now with the new version (Windows 7), it crashes instantly as soon as the ECML has started at York, everytime I try and move the mouse, the curser jumps around the screen very slowly, making different loud buzzing noises, after about five moves of the curser, Trainz 2010 freezes with the loud buzzing noise, I then have to restart my computer, but then get muti-choice, windows 7 safe mode, windows 7 normal. I've also noticed my monitor flickers from time to time, it goes to black, then back to desktop, this is all new to me as I've never experienced anything like this before, I know it's halloween but the computer is taking it too far.

I have a horrible feeling it's either my new Graphics card is faulty, or my CPU is over heating.

I will take it the computer shop tommorrow, along with my very little empty piggy.

I will let you know how I get on.

Many thanks to everyone who responded to try and help me, I love you guys and I very, very much appreciate all your valuable help.

Joe Airtime

 

[johnwhelan]

Your machine doesn't sound right. Could you down load Belarc www.belarc.com and tell us what it says for the memory?

Thanks John

 

[Robtheailean]

Win 7? maybe its just Auran...

Lots of maybes and guesses in these replies.

I would not go haring off spending money until Auran give you some feedback.

I am running Win7/64 bit; i7-930 with 6GB and an Nvidia 9800GX2 video card, WD Raptor HDD, fully patched (and I have been doing this for 40 years, am not some Noobie ) and trainz runs like a dog - when it runs at all.

After installing into a clean build (which runs StarCaft 2; Adobe CS4 etc very well, the nvidia 3D glasses etc fine - although I have to disable the 3D function to get Trainz to load - I have no sound, the screen flashes on and off once I pass the main screen.
All this after Manually applying the SP3 patches.

Frankly I am pretty disgusted at the bugs that seem to never stop in this Sim.

It takes days just to get a digital download...

 

[airtime]

Lots of maybes and guesses in these replies.

I would not go haring off spending money until Auran give you some feedback.

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I have no sound, the screen flashes on and off once I pass the main screen.
All this after Manually applying the SP3 patches.

Many thanks for your advice regarding waiting for auran to get in touch.

However, I do have a similar problem to you, thankfully the sound is fine, but the screen does flicker when I'm in the main menu, if I choose a large route to load, it takes about 5 to 7 minutes, once loaded the buzzing starts out of the speakers, and the mouse cursor becomes very slow, and everytime the cursor moves, the buzzing noise changes in pitch up or down, until eventually Trainz crashes and I have to resart my computer.

I am taking it to the computer shop today, as they want to see this for themselves, they did think it might be to do with an insufficent power supply, until they saw my PSU specs,(500W 25A@5V ATX Silent CE Approved PSU) and they said it should have no problems with what I am running.

I will let you know what they say, and how they fixed it, so hopefully you can get yours running too.

Many thanks for your help

Joe Airtime

 

[JCitron]

Definitely check your RAM.

I had a bad DIMM that caused Trainz to crash after running for exactly 1/2 hour in Driver; worked fine in Surveyor.

Replaced a Power Supply because the 3.2 V was too low.

Then I had a random crash or two in Word and IE.

Ran the memory test and found a bad DIMM.

Replaced the bad memory stick, and the machine ran fine after that.

John

 

[vikingams]

Windows 7 issues?

Hi,
I'm new to Trainz, installed Trainz 2010 on my computer using Windows 7, and it appears to have issues. It may be me, being new to the game, but I have yet to find Shaw and Son Warehouse under Tutorial Two - it shows the name on the scene but there is no loading dock. It also seizes up every now and again.

 

[JCitron]

Hi,
I'm new to Trainz, installed Trainz 2010 on my computer using Windows 7, and it appears to have issues. It may be me, being new to the game, but I have yet to find Shaw and Son Warehouse under Tutorial Two - it shows the name on the scene but there is no loading dock. It also seizes up every now and again.

Welcome to Trainz and the forums!

Try switching from Open/GL to DirectX in the options when you start Trainz.

What are the specs of your machine - video card, memory, hard drives, etc. This is helpful for troubleshooting problems such as this.

Windows 7 doesn't usually have problems with Trainz, so these problems are rare.

John

 

[airtime]

Just an update from the computer shop,

I got a phone call earlier today from my computer specialist regarding Windows 7 and Trainz, after much testing, he found the memory was too much for the motherboard, and has reduced the memory from 7GB to 5GB.

He also found that ATI Cards, runs Trainz 2010 smoother and faster than Nvidia GeForce cards, he is suprised by this along with myself, as me and him have always supported Nvidia GeForce graphics cards and never had problems with them in the past.

I will be getting my computer system back tomorrow, he has replaced my Windows 7, with Windows XP, as he found Windows XP is better for gaming.

He has tested a number of games on Windows 7, all with the same effect of a buzzing noise from the speakers, Trainz 2010 was one of the games that had this problem, along with Ghost Recon and Medal of Honor, he said that certain Nvidia graphics cards (PCIe GeForce GTS250 512Mb DDR3 DVI/HDMI, VGA, TV-Out) along with demanding games were not compatible with Windows 7, but with Windows XP, most if not all Graphics cards are still compatible.

In Windows 7 on a GeForce card, he said Tutorial 2 in Trainz 2010 was very jarry and the clock in the corner of the screen stopped and jumped forward in time every so often, he found Windows 7 and Nvidia GeForce did not like the way Trainz 2010 ran at times, and found Trainz 2010 very jumpy and stuttery, sound was also an issue were it would either drop and come back or give out buzzing from the speakers. With the ATI card running in Windows XP, Trainz 2010 - Tutorial 2 runs smoothly, and the clock runs to time, the sound has no problems, trainz runs smoothly and very fast without jarring.

I will post my new computer specs on here tomorrow, so you can see the changes made, hopefully me posting my specs on here, might help others who may be having difficulty running Trainz 2010 solve there problems too.

Hope this helps

Joe Airtime

 

[airtime]

As promised I will now give you my old computer specs were Trainz 2010 did not work, followed by my new computer specs were Trainz 2010 does run smoothly, however with the new specs, there is an issue with fast growing speedtrees, a further explanation is below*

OLD SPECS
Windows 7 (32 bit)
PCIe GeForce GTS250 512Mb DDR3 DVI/HDMI, VGA, TV-Out
asus p5b skt-775 core 2 duo ready ddr2/6blan
320gb maxtor sata hard drive 7200rpm 8mb cache oem
Pentium intel core 2 duo e6600 2.4ghz skt775 fsb1066 4mb cache
7gb 240pin ddr2-667 9pc2-5300) dimm - cl4

NEW SPECS
Windows XP professional with service pack 2 (32 bit)
PCIe ATI HD4850 512MB vga, dvi, HDMI
asus p5b skt-775 core 2 duo ready ddr2/6blan
320gb maxtor sata hard drive 7200rpm 8mb cache oem
Pentium intel core 2 duo e6600 2.4ghz skt775 fsb1066 4mb cache
5gb 240pin ddr2-667 9pc2-5300) dimm - cl4

With the new specs, Trainz 2010 still takes a time to load big routes for example "The East Coast Mainline"...

The only two faults I have found with Trainz 2010 while using the ATI Card, the ground in the far distance looks like white ice on the floor, I am not too worried about this, as this may be fixed in future editions...

*Speedtree problem
the other problem I did find is that the speedtrees grow very fast as you approach them, or they shrink in size the further away you go from them. I have found a Service Pack link which I believe will fix the fast growing speedtree problem with ATI Cards, here is the forum link... http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=49580

Hope this thread helps others who may be having difficulty in running Trainz 2010, and thank you to all my forum friends for all your valuable time and help.

Joe Airtime

 

[shaneturner12]

Something that has baffled me somewhat with your new specs is how is Trainz running if you only have SP2 on Windows XP (unless you have upgraded it to SP3)? I always thought SP3 (for XP) was part of the minimum requirements.

Shane

 

[airtime]

Something that has baffled me somewhat with your new specs is how is Trainz running if you only have SP2 on Windows XP (unless you have upgraded it to SP3)? I always thought SP3 (for XP) was part of the minimum requirements.

Shane

Your right Shane, Trainz 2010 has refused to work for me again last night, earlier on in the day I tried to run the card on a big route The East Coast Mainline, and it was running very fast and very smooth, however last night when I tried again, Trainz has froze me out, I get to the main menu, and I can't go any further, I tried a full database repair, but still I had no luck.

Today I am reinstalling (Windows XP SP2) along with Trainz 2010, I will then test it again, and I will let you know how I go on, if it fails, I will install (Windows XP SP3), if it fails again, it goes back to the computer shop and I will get my old (pci-e Geforce 7300gt 256mb vga, dvi, tv-out) put back in, I never had any problems with my old card, except Trainz 2010 stuttered a little bit, when more trains were added to the route, and I could never get to the end of the East Coast Mainline, as it would crash halfway through the route around Doncaster.

It is strange how it seems to have difficulty with my machine, but my mums machine is built exactly the same way as mine, except it has a (PCIe GeForce GTS250 512Mb DDR3 DVI/HDMI, VGA, TV-Out) and it runs fine without problems, yet Trainz cannot work on my machine, I am now baffled at what is happening.

I will let you know how I get on throughout the day...

Joe Airtime

 

[airtime]

Just an update...

After many problems with Windows 7 (Windows 7 was never built for gaming only for office and home), I have decided to go back to Windows XP, I installed Windows XP 32 bit successfully,

I then installed Trainz 2010, however were the green ticks appear, I have 2 yellow markers, one for "graphics card is over 15 months old", and the other for "graphics card not compatible with Trainz 2010".

So then, I installed Windows XP Service Pack 3, this fixed the "graphics card is not compatible with Trainz 2010", but it did throw up about 8 times, a box stating that ATI was incompatible with Windows XP.

My computer was built around Nvidia Graphics cards, as that is what I asked for, so the graphics card was compatible with the computer.

However, fitting an ATI graphics card in my computer has resulted in Trainz 2010 running faster when running in the routes, but loading up huge routes like the East Coast Mainline takes around 5 minutes or longer, also those speedtrees don't half grow fast when driving trains.

With the Nvidia GeForce cards, the load up time for routes was around 3 minutes, but there was a bit of jarring when running trains on the route, and I could never get to London from York, as it would crash out around Doncaster, the good bit was the Speedtrees work perfectly, without fast growing.

At the moment I'm still fixing errors, the fast growing speedtrees is one of them, I did post a link up, I am going to install and test the service pack tonight.

I will keep you updated with how I go on, and hope to have a solution in the near future.

Joe Airtime

 

[airtime]

Another update,

I have installed the Trainz 2010 Service Pack, to fix the tree problem, this has fixed my trees so they don't grow fast anymore, and they have leaves too, Trainz 2010 has also given me green ticks all the way through in the Diag box.

I have un-clicked the ticks for show favourites, so I see everything in Trainz 2010 now, and also enabled backwards compatibilty, once I had done this, the East Coast Mainline route now loads in one minute, instead of Five, and is still very fast running the route. However, I have encountered a possible memory problem, half way through the East Coast Mainline route, a box appeared about "difficulty in a memory read", I am going to investigate this further.

REGARDING WINDOWS 7
I did try and take my Windows 7 back to PC World, as it does not like certain games, they could not take it back as it had been opened, it had never been activated, but they still could not take it back, stating it could of been activated, they basically called me a liar.

I did notice after 10 minutes standing in the queue at PC World, that every item taken back, whether it was a laptop or something from Curry's, refunds were out of the question, it's your item, you keep it, was there attitude. My advice is, if you go to PC World, Curry's or Dixons to buy anything, then you will take a risk of not being able to change it or get money back for it, once it has been opened.

Hope some of the advice above was helpful to those who may be having similar problems.

Joe Airtime

 

[clam1952]

Erm............ Win7 64bit works perfectly well with every game I posess including some really old ones. There is a myth that XP is better for games perpetuated by the can't / wont upgrade / haven't really got a clue / never used Win7 brigade. Originally it had bad reports, mainly during the beta testing and when first released because neither Nvidia or ATI had perfected their drivers for 64bit, they are getting better with every subsequent release.

Memory read errors may well be due to bad or maybe mismatched ram, your fixer has actually checked it for errors? as this will probably be the cause of Win7 not installing. Could also be caused by faulty motherboard or power supply even.
Putting 5GB in a Win XP setup is pointless as it can't be seen or used, your motherboard can take up to 8GB but this is only of any use in 64bit OS's. Where the can't handle more than 5 came from is a fairy story, you only have to check the motherboard specs online, more likely due to mismatched or faulty ram.

I would strongly suggest getting a qualified PC repairer or someone who is good with fault diagnosis to look at that PC before parting with anymore cash, I am not convinced that your local shop has actually got a clue what they are doing, afterall it was supposedly fixed and you are still getting problems.




Regarding the refund on Win7, you could probably sell it on however you may well need Win7 at some point so I'd hang on to it.
I think it says in MS's licencing that opening the package means you have accepted the licence etc even if you haven't installed it, guess thats where they are coming from.