whats your favt american railroad era that you really miss and wants it back

kamran

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as i the title says i want o know that which era of american railroads do people miss a lot .they really want to bring back such era or wants to go back in that era and which railroads remains your top favourite.so i am starting with mine choice
  1. i am a biggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg fan of fallen flag railroads of america from the the 1960's to 1990's
  2. its the best era to me as there are tooo many railroads operated and closed their businees.there are too many railroads.very colourful schemes what i can say i love this era
my favt railroads are
  1. frisco
  2. GM&0
  3. MOPAC
  4. NYC
  5. CHESSIE SYSTEM
  6. DRG&W
  7. SCL
THERE are too many that i liked but only these are in mind so jump in and tell you memories about fallen flags and which era you like most and why u like it and why u want it back
 
I surely miss the fallen flags as they were part of my childhood. Growing up in the Northeast, meant I'd see a fair number of boxcars from the New York Central, New Haven, Lehigh and Hudson River, Erie, Erie and Lackawanna, Central Railroad of New Jersey, and many others.

When the Penn Central came along, they took out the two biggest companies and destroyed the New Haven. As a corporation, they were too big to fail and they did by smothering in their own juice. Their corporate culture did not mesh well with each other and one former railroad company tried to dominate the other. This caused the PC to pull its self apart at the seems probably helped the push of freight revenue from the railroads to the trucks as they struggled to keep operating. This situation didn't help the other connecting companies as they also lost revenue from overhead traffic. This happened at the same time as manufacturing was less of a contributor to the economy as it was in the past. Let's face it, if a manufacturer or distributor can't get their goods reliably, they will look for better modes of transportation. So their mess helped form Conrail which was essentially the same company with the same management. The only difference was they now had to run their former competitors. In the process they lopped off the western portion of the Erie which today would be a fast route to Chicago. This was a wide and flat operation with fewer grades than those found on the NYC and Pennsy, but being who they were they favored their own lines over those of the the EL and the Lehigh Valley. Both of these lines became secondary to the old PC network.

So who do I miss and would like to see operating?

1) Boston and Maine --- the local company to me.
2) Maine Central --- a partner and connecting railroad
3) Delaware and Hudson --- another connecting road
4) New York Central
5) Pennsylvania
6) Erie Lackawanna
7) Lehigh Valley
6) Central Railroad of New Jersey
7) New Haven
8) Lehigh and Hudson River
9) Reading Co.
10) Bangor and Aroostook.

I would like to see these companies come back because each one offered their own brand of service. They were contributors to the local communities and to the regions they served. Today CSX and NS are not the same. They still run the trains on these lines, but the local pride is gone. The B&M and MEC are now Pan Am Railways (PAR). PAR destroyed much of the system after Guilford Transportation (same company old name) purchased them. They ripped up branch lines, main lines, discouraged service, disenfranchised customers, allowed the lines to fall into disrepair, and the track to rot. Their main purpose was to sell of real estate to developers which they did in many parts of their system.

The D&H was purchased by Guilford in the 1980s. Through their hack it all management, they forced the D&H into bankruptcy and today they're part of the CPRail system.

The New Haven, being a regional railroad, partnered with many of the areas lines and at one point had control of the B&M. At another point, they were controlled by the Pennsy. There is evidence of this on both systems. In Lynn, MA, there's a 4-track bridge where only two tracks is used. This was part of the NH expansion. They also had plans to electrify to Boston from New Haven then eventually electrify all of the B&M. Part of their plan is done now with the NEC up to Boston, the other part has never happened. The New Haven was one of the largest commuter operators in the Northeast with electric service to New York City and diesel service to Boston and Providence. They operated a unique fleet of early diesels and electrics which were the forerunners of many units we have today. The NH went through periods of prosperity and demise in part due to the stock market manipulations. They were failing when the PC purchased them, but the New Haven died when the PC allowed the Poukipsee Bridge to burn. This was a suspicious fire that was never resolved. The bridge is now a rail trail. Once this link was broken, the rest of the system fell apart, and lead to problems with the LH, EL, and other railroads that relied on this major link to their systems from points north. There were other links but they were roundabout with some requiring ferries to bring freight across New York Harbor. The bridge avoided the ferry link or a journey way up to Albany to cross the Hudson. If they had survived the Conrail break-up, I'm sure they would have been one great regional system again.

The BAR serves the far north of Maine from Bangor up to Canada. Today they are now run by another company whose name slips my mind. They too were ripped apart and destroyed by poor management and profiteers and only survive in a small portion of what they once were.


I'll leave this for now and see what others have to say. So for me I'd like to see these former fallen flags come alive again.

John
 
This is too easy to answer, the late 1930's to the early 1950's. This was steams finest hour and I can even tolerate 1st generation "disesals" :p. The route I'm building will be in the time frame 1939.

Dave
 
the era i mentioned is bcz i am a diesel fan and during 1960's to 1990' diesel era is at its peak
 
The early 90's on the west coast, with MP and WP as separate roads, and the BNSF merger happening.
 
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I'd take the 1940's to the 1950's. It was in that area that Southern Railway (US) retired the last of their steam locomotives. I've already got a sound-equipped model of Southern 4501 (in Crescent colors) and Southern 2-8-0 #722 (Also in Crescent colors, but without sound), which, though the paint schemes are not appropriate, were around in that time frame. I know that several companies make Southern F units, E units, GP's, SD's and RS's. If I was to make a fleet of Southern locomotives, I would have the following
1. Southern 4501
2. Southern 722
3. Southern 4-6-0 of 4-4-0
4. Southern F unit (either 1 A unit, or an A-A consist)
5. Southern RS
6. Southern GP
Right now I only have enough room for a shelf layout, which I want to model off of the Detroit Connecting Railroad featured on Trainz 2010, though I would try to backdate to the 1950's. I have a plan to have room for a larger area for a layout that my parents' disapprove of: Once my sister moves out and has her own home, she would end up sleeping downstairs in our guest bedroom while I bore a hole thru the wall that separates her bedroom from my bedroom to let me extend the layout into my sister's former bedroom. My parent's want to keep her stuff in her bedroom so that she can just come over and spend the night for some unknown reason, but want more room. I have a 4ft x 8ft table stored in the garage. It's a long story about why it's in there.
 
Almost forgot the Southern/NS Steam Program! (I do realize that seeing all of these run again is near impossible, but it would be nice).

A&WP 4-6-2 290- Southeastern RR Museum, Last used in the early 1990's
T&P 2-10-4 610- Texas State Railroad, Last used in 1979
N&W 4-8-4 611- Virginia Museum of Transportation, Last used in 1994
Southern 2-8-0 630- Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum, Last used in 1983
Southern 2-8-0 722- Great Smoky Mountains Railroad, Last used in 1983
S&A 4-6-2 750- Southeastern RR Museum, Last used in the late 1970's
N&W 2-6-6-4 1218- Virginia Museum of Transportation, Last used in 1994
C&O 2-8-4 2716- Kentucky Railroad Museum, Last used in 1982 (I think)
CP 4-6-4 2839- Nethercutt Collection, Sylmar, CA, Last used in 1980
Southern 2-8-2 4501- Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum, Last used in 1998

Also, the Chicago, North Shore & Milwaukee would be nice to see. (The Insull Interurban group would be nice).
 
Early (1860-1890) western wood burning steam;

California Pacific
Central Pacific
Virgina and Truckee

(Coal? Oil? New fangled ideas that will never work!) :hehe:
 
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+1 JCitron. I'm a (close to) Boston native. The old New haven was our families lifeline to my relatives in Brooklynn, NY: my memeories of those train trips into Grand Central are relished to this day. As for the B&M; seems to me there was a self destructive corporate theme somewhere in there. Funny thing is , I drive by the Mellon Buiding in Everett often, and all I think of is B&M dissolution!
 
When one has worked on steam locomotives for years like I did in the late 60's and 70's, rerailed them and had the experience of driving them now and again ( when drivers allow it for a little while on a safe stretch ) and seeing and hearing them in the hills and the vales, the nostalgia is increased by 80% I guess...so yes the 50's to the 70's gets my vote.
 
+1 JCitron. I'm a (close to) Boston native. The old New haven was our families lifeline to my relatives in Brooklyn, NY: my memories of those train trips into Grand Central are relished to this day. As for the B&M; seems to me there was a self destructive corporate theme somewhere in there. Funny thing is , I drive by the Mellon Building in Everett often, and all I think of is B&M dissolution!

Yeah the banks got a hold of the B&M at various times in their life and played the stock market with the profits. In later years Patrick Mc Guinness had his hand in there too. He sold off stuff and pocketed the difference, and got caught with stock fraud. He was also in instrumental in the destruction of the New Haven as well. I do the same when I drive into Boston. I see the old car repair shops that once held the named trains and the Buddliners. I remember trains being turned on the big station loops, and a freight yard full of cars being sorted over the eastern-most hump in the US. Today all of this is gone in favor of highway overpasses and condo developments.

Growing up I used to visit family in Manhattan and the Queens and remember seeing the electrics racing to Penn Station and Grand Central. This made my trip exciting as I looked forward to the NE Thruway following the New Haven from West Haven all the way into New York City. Mike I wonder if you were on one of those trains! :) My grandmother came from Brooklyn, but her relatives were long dead by the time I was born. Her uncle was a developer there and made a ton when the bridge opened in 1888. He built Benson Hurst and many other famous-named neighborhoods back in that time. My dad's grandmother lived in Manhattan, and his aunt and uncle lived in Queens. During one trip, I got a tour of the New York elevated. My aunt brought me on a loop-tour. The highlight of the trip was seeing a Goodyear blimp.

John
 
John, I almost lived on the New Haven trains. My momma ran back home to Brooklyn nearly every time the Pop cut wind!
My favorite train was the NH's 'Yankee Clipper'. Got to Grand Central just in time to make supper at grandma's, then help grandpa hide his blackberry brandy from her clutches.
Later when the NE Thruway was built, and I remember that stretch, it was an imaginary race, 'tween trian and car into the city.
Don't get me started JCitron, I'll be tearin' all over my new laptap half the night....................
 
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The 1920-50's, the end of steam, PRR and short lines in the US. Early diesels for CPR. 1977 the year I got my 1st job working on the rail with CP in the Rockies, I regretted quitting. :'(
 
I'd say the 1970's, with the UP SD24's, Geeps, Alcos, and the DD's.
I'd also say the 1950's, F units, Geeps, Alcos, and the steam locos.
 
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