That's not what I'm talking about I was quoting the part of the post above me saying get mad that people live to make money. And yes it does take money to make money. Starting a business takes money to start. Also when people invest in your corporation, you are receiving their money so when they feel like its grown as much as possible they'll get more out than what they put in. Plus when people buy your products you're taking their money.
UP Disgusts Me
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Be nice!
Everyone has already said it but it is the sad truth...
You have to understand that Union Pacific and every other single beloved railroad, past and present, are businesses. Sure, some are better than others at preserving their heritage and that of their predecessors but they are in it to make money and preserving units cuts into profit.
Take my banner as an example, I miss the glory days of the Warbonnet sprinting across the desert, but the merger of Burlington Northern and the ATSF was for profit, the BNSF system can meet the needs of more customers by the creation of a larger system.
Everyone has already said it but it is the sad truth...
You have to understand that Union Pacific and every other single beloved railroad, past and present, are businesses. Sure, some are better than others at preserving their heritage and that of their predecessors but they are in it to make money and preserving units cuts into profit.
Take my banner as an example, I miss the glory days of the Warbonnet sprinting across the desert, but the merger of Burlington Northern and the ATSF was for profit, the BNSF system can meet the needs of more customers by the creation of a larger system.
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SantaFebuff
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What's "nice"?
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Technically the DRGW bought the Southern Pacific in the 1980s, and adopted the SP name. They then merged with Union Pacific, in the late 90s, with Southern Pacific being listed on the paperwork as the surviving company, but went with UP because of better brand recognition.
Anyway, call me crazy, but I am just happy to see a black NS GP40 with drip strips as it shows its Reading heritage.
Anyway, call me crazy, but I am just happy to see a black NS GP40 with drip strips as it shows its Reading heritage.
simulatortrain
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Cause that's totally stealing.
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And here we see how easily this hatred of UP could have been hatred of D&RGW...
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Correct me if I am wrong, but the way I hear it is that SP was on the down with their engine maintainance as it was. They were already beaten and rusted when UP aquired them and DRGW did little to perserve them either...
Cause that's totally stealing.
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And here we see how easily this hatred of UP could have been hatred of D&RGW...
No ones crying and it makes perfect sense. More like taking an advantage of.
The only reason why they were better because of all the companies it devoured in the 1980s and CNW in 1995 plus they were not in a financial slump like we were though they were forced into bankruptcy twice one time following the gov't ordered divorce of the two companies. But had SP been successful in the merger department and gotten their act together sooner SP MIGHT still be around.
Nope you still aren't making any sense. And how is buying a product or service from a company, getting taken advantage of? Southern Pacific devoured smaller companies too so I don't get why you think that they are so different from other companies of there time. And by the way history is full of what ifs, doesn't mean it is going to change the present. So stop thinking that Southern Pacific was some godly company that didn't deserve to be merged, they ran there company into the ground and had to be saved by another company. And thanks to games like Trainz you can drive your very own Southern Pacific fleets anyways.
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Nope you still aren't making any sense. And how is buying a product or service from a company, getting taken advantage of? Southern Pacific devoured smaller companies too so I don't get why you think that they are so different from other companies of there time. And by the way history is full of what ifs, doesn't mean it is going to change the present. So stop thinking that Southern Pacific was some godly company that didn't deserve to be merged, they ran there company into the ground and had to be saved by another company. And thanks to games like Trainz you can drive your very own Southern Pacific fleets anyways.
hert
They're not Godly but they're not trash either. And that's the frustrating part is the idiots who were in charge of the company; i.e. Donald J. Russell, Benjamin F. Biaggini,
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Now for the part that doesn't make sense. What I mean is what you see isn't what you always get. Lets use a grocery store for instance. Brake it down real plain, simple, & basic so everyone can understand.
A pack of Oreo Cookies at Bel Air is $4.79 and rising and Winco you get the same thing for $2.98 regular price and sometimes under two dollars on sale. The sale price at Bel Air is the regular price at Winco and the size of package is small, the cookies themselves are small and you don't get as much for your money. Where as several years ago the package as cheaper, larger, and the cookies were much bigger than now. You could say the economy played a role, or the manufacturers Nabisco decided to do cutbacks.
My point is large companies tend to be greedy but defend their ways and get away with it. Now I'm not UP greedy although they rub off that way but its amazing what money and power can do for you and to you. Most times it can be good or devastating. It just depends who's in charge of managing it. So companies like to inflate things and add glamour and galore to it to make people want to get it and charge more than what its worth.
Now if its still confusing I'll just PM anyone who so chooses to insist upon what I'm saying. Also Business Finance and Economics classes could also do you well and benefit you because that's how I'm describing it. Not in a railroads point of view.
illinoiscentral
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Oh boy! More forum fun!
Wash them? Ever heard that every minute a locomotive is out of service is a minute it could be making money? Museums? You should have picked up one of the 2007 editions of Trains Magazine, museums are getting RID of equipment because there is too much and no funds to restore it.
The GP60's are still in SP or SSW paint because they're local and yard crap that nobody sees nor cares about.
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Woody
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Wash them? Ever heard that every minute a locomotive is out of service is a minute it could be making money? Museums? You should have picked up one of the 2007 editions of Trains Magazine, museums are getting RID of equipment because there is too much and no funds to restore it.
Oh boy, let's talk about the IC! Why is there still IC stuff around? Not because CN is "generous" as you would say, rather CN is power strapped and can't afford to take the units O/S often to paint them. Notice...most of IC's fleet has been repainted or off the roster completely. Also, hate to burst your bubble, but CP is re-building most of the Soo Line power or retiring it in the next few years. There has already been several SD60's and SD60M's done just since December.
Uh huh...because most of the non-repainted SP stuff is AC4400CW's which UP uses on coal trains from the Powder River to Chicago. Again, UP doesn't feel "generous", they don't have time to take O/S.
The GP60's are still in SP or SSW paint because they're local and yard crap that nobody sees nor cares about.
We understand just fine, we also understand that its a immature and un-realistic point of view. Haven't seen one? Oh well! Ride in one? Yeah right! That's against the law unless you work for UP. Don't even say "I'm gonna work for UP", I don't want to get into that discussion.
Its not about margins, its about business relations. You don't hand a customer a business card from a company you took over 8 years ago do you?
Expense of others?
Please research your facts a little better. UP didn't devour companies. FYI, in all honesty, Union Pacific is Missouri Pacific. Like the DRGW buy-out of SP, they kept the UP name for sake of tradition. Guess they were feeling "generous".
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Woody
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Southern Pacific was banking on the ATSF SP merger to survive. When that was shot down, it killed the SP. One of the stipulations was that the SP had to be sold within a year or something like that. DRGW was the buyer. As SP was a better known name, DRGW adopted the name and color scheme.
Secondly, you obviously don't know how investing works. When you invest your money in a company you do it because you expect them to make money, and thus increase the value of their stock, and pay you dividends. (Depending on what type of stock you have invested in.) Painting a fleet of heritage units is a good PR move that increased the stock value of UP more than enough to offset the expenses. Wasting money on repainting old SP units back into SP would be a waste of money, and could devalue the stock. They aren't stealing anyone's money. Plus, I doubt you have any stock purchased anyway.
Third. Quit referring to SP as "we." You never were, nor never will be in any way associated with the Southern Pacific Rail Corporation.
Secondly, you obviously don't know how investing works. When you invest your money in a company you do it because you expect them to make money, and thus increase the value of their stock, and pay you dividends. (Depending on what type of stock you have invested in.) Painting a fleet of heritage units is a good PR move that increased the stock value of UP more than enough to offset the expenses. Wasting money on repainting old SP units back into SP would be a waste of money, and could devalue the stock. They aren't stealing anyone's money. Plus, I doubt you have any stock purchased anyway.
Third. Quit referring to SP as "we." You never were, nor never will be in any way associated with the Southern Pacific Rail Corporation.
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Its not a matter of who is a fan of what from where. Its a matter of looking at the subject from a realistic point of view. To say that any railroad needs to keep power from DEAD, yes DEAD railroad companies is absurd.
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Woody
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