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Scaremongering!
Why are you so much against having our toolbar back?
I am sure that N3V are capable of putting them back safely, we just need to be patient.
No, not scaremongering and I am not against having them back! It is just that some users would want them returned immediately - believing that it would be a simple fix to add the graphics and the event codes but nothing in programming is ever that simple. I could recite many boring examples about how such "simple software fixes" have led to disasters.
However, you are absolutely correct on your last point.
Interesting statistics Bruce. I don't recall mentioning any figures in my posts.
Things go right because the programmers take the necessary time (and there is never enough time) to check the code, test the data, run the tests and even then things can still go wrong. Change a data value or piece of code here and it can have an unexpected effect there!
Why is it called "scaremongering" when you point out the possible pitfalls of changing one section of code back to what it was before a major update? I am not saying don't do it, I am saying don't rush it because of demands to "get it fixed".
Have they placed the "undo and redo" buttons back in the main surveyor screen yet?
I have the latest update waiting to be installed but am hesitant to install it until the buttons are reinstalled.
Thanks
Macka
Interesting statistics Bruce. I don't recall mentioning any figures in my posts.
Things go right because the programmers take the necessary time (and there is never enough time) to check the code, test the data, run the tests and even then things can still go wrong. Change a data value or piece of code here and it can have an unexpected effect there!
Why is it called "scaremongering" when you point out the possible pitfalls of changing one section of code back to what it was before a major update? I am not saying don't do it, I am saying don't rush it because of demands to "get it fixed".
The bigger question is why were they removed in the first place.
The question does remain unanswered though. Why did they remove them in the first place? Is there going to be an interface change that will include another menu, or another integration of something else in the future that requires removing these two buttons from the menu bar even if there's acres and acres of real estate to work with.
However, N3V programmers did have enough time to produce a version for the iphone. Look at the youtube videos, it's basically an arcade level "drive a choo-choo" app for $6.99. It looks like N3V is going after a younger, hipper audience at the expense of their long standing customer base.
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To help answer the question why it's not easy to introduce something, or reintroduce something back in without implications here's some things that happened not too long ago:
I worked in computer software all my adult life. At least three things are vital for a good system:
- Good user input and feedback
- Thorough testing
- A clean, intuitive User Interface
The kerfuffle about the elimination of the icons reflects the failure of N3V to seriously consider item #1.
The problems you mentioned got into the released versions because of a failure to do really extensive testing (#2).
The extremely poor User Interface is indicative of failures of both 1&2. Some examples...
Dark gray text on a black background. This has been a problem since TANE and still exists today in 105096.
Hard to see options as in the Copy/Paste feature.
Text box popups where the cursor is not automatically in the textbox as in the Surveyor Find popup.
None of these problems existed before TANE. Apparently they resulted from N3V dropping Windows interface standards in favor of tablet/Iphone standards.
Removing icon shortcuts when no one wanted icon shortcuts removed - no beta testing - no user feedback.
Not providing much requested things like a notice of Active Route/Session Layer. Ignoring item #1.
Dark gray text on a black background. This has been a problem since TANE and still exists today in 105096.
Hard to see options as in the Copy/Paste feature.
Text box popups where the cursor is not automatically in the textbox as in the Surveyor Find popup.
None of these problems existed before TANE. Apparently they resulted from N3V dropping Windows interface standards in favor of tablet/Iphone standards.
Your timeline indicates that you have only 3 different versions of Trainz and none earlier than TS2010. I can assure you that those problems (in various forms) and others have existed in earlier versions going back to the beginning. Black text on a dark background, for example, was a common issue in some early versions (it was at one stage black on cream which at least was readable).