Unable to delete track - any ideas please?

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Bazza99

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G'day All,

re: TRS2006 (under XP)

I seem to have some spurious track which I did not (intentionally) generate.
Worse, I seem to be unable to delete it.
It spans an enormous length - across *many* boards.
(I don't know how it got there - but that's beside the point at the moment).

I can add new track and delete that, just not this (unwanted) track!

I can even attach a new section of track to an end (of the unwanted) and manipulate that (new) track - as normal.

Regarding the unwanted track, I cannot...
- delete it
- insert a spline point
- raise or lower either end (spline point) - via any method.
- join another piece of track (except at the 2 ends).
(Normally a junction can be created by dropping the new track somewhere on the existing track).

The only action I can get to work, is to.. 'get' the track - (which is: 1-track dusty)

I have also tried raising and lowering the ground but that doesn't help.

I have saved/rebooted etc - still no help.

I have tried every available 'button' to see if anything has any effect - but so far, nothing.

Please - does anyone have any ideas how I can get rid of this pesky track?

Many Thanks.

Barry Day
 
Hi Barry,

Try ALL the delete tools, object delete, spline object delete, ruler delete etc.
Some times weird things happen when data gets corrupted.
Also if it is an object ( like fixed track ) use the copy terrain tool (with copy objects selected ) to copy a blank section of your map over the offending object. This method is great for annoying things like mist or smoke that are all most impossible to manipulate once you place them on the map.

Another idea, try placing a piece of rolling stock on the track in surveyor then drag it the complete length of the track then delete it. There may be a invisible piece of rolling stock on the track preventing you from deleting the track.

Hope this helps,
Lindsay
 
Hi All: I think I would try to do extended data base repair..You may also have to delete the boards..If those two don't work then I would suggest uninstall-reinstall and start over..I have had to do this on several occasions, and the boards did some weird things..
 
Put a spline point in the spurious unwanted track then break the spline point and then delete the track.
Don't use controll Z, as this is what causes it in the first place. If you make a mistake just exit without saving or manually delete the mistake.
 
bnsf50 said:
Put a spline point in the spurious unwanted track then break the spline point and then delete the track.
Don't use controll Z, as this is what causes it in the first place. If you make a mistake just exit without saving or manually delete the mistake.
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oo i ahd thsi happen , do what he say's then you can get rid of it,,,,
 
But twodorgs said that he tried to delete as an object and did not work. One thing he did not say is on what he tries to delete: It is on a main map, or a session? I would try to do any major deletes on main maps. Agreed to try to delete a board and see what happens. Keep us informed please...
 
Twodorgs said:
Hi Barry,

Try ALL the delete tools, object delete, spline object delete, ruler delete etc.
Some times weird things happen when data gets corrupted.
Also if it is an object ( like fixed track ) use the copy terrain tool (with copy objects selected ) to copy a blank section of your map over the offending object. This method is great for annoying things like mist or smoke that are all most impossible to manipulate once you place them on the map.

Another idea, try placing a piece of rolling stock on the track in surveyor then drag it the complete length of the track then delete it. There may be a invisible piece of rolling stock on the track preventing you from deleting the track.

Thanks - for all those.
I did try all delete buttons - well perhaps not the ruler.
I'll give all those ideas a go.
As to the rolling stock idea - the dud track spans many boards (> 30) and will be a major pain - but ... if that turns out to be the only way....

I'll post results as soon as I've got through reading the suggestions.

Pls bear with me - I'm on dial-up. It mat be a day or two (...unless I get an instant result :-).

Cheers
Barry
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BobCass said:
Hi All: I think I would try to do extended data base repair..You may also have to delete the boards..If those two don't work then I would suggest uninstall-reinstall and start over..I have had to do this on several occasions, and the boards did some weird things..
Click to expand...

Thanks ... ummm... "extended data base repair" - I'm not sure what you mean here. can you tell me more pls - or point me to a page which explains "how to".

As to "delete the boards" ...
This would lose nearly all I've done - ie: 'twould be a total disaster - and there are too just many.
Already there's a major repair issue once I can delete the dud track, as somewhere I've inadvertently also done a 'smooth track" on it (whilst trying to fix it earlier) - and that has caused a major mess!

I have also tried saving it to a cdp and reloading it on another machine with a fresh install (both XP & Trs2006). Sadly that didn't help either.

Cheers
Barry
 
bnsf50 said:
Put a spline point in the spurious unwanted track then break the spline point and then delete the track.
Don't use controll Z, as this is what causes it in the first place. If you make a mistake just exit without saving or manually delete the mistake.
Click to expand...

Thanks - but that was the first thing I tried.
I tried to indicate that .... see item 2.

"---------
Regarding the unwanted track, I cannot...
- delete it
- insert a spline point
- raise or lower either end (spline point) - via any method.
- join another piece of track (except at the 2 ends).
(Normally a junction can be created by dropping the new track somewhere on the existing track).
"---------

Cheers
Barry
 
llebrez said:
But twodorgs said that he tried to delete as an object and did not work. One thing he did not say is on what he tries to delete: It is on a main map, or a session? I would try to do any major deletes on main maps. Agreed to try to delete a board and see what happens. Keep us informed please...
Click to expand...

Thanks. I hadn't realised it might make a difference.

It's on a main map ie: mine - tho' it's a composite of my work plus some boards in the original trainz (eg: auranshire railway & whatnot).

It has been fine for a long while - then, all of a sudden, this happens 'out of the blue'.

AFAIK, I didn't do anything to cause it - but - who can tell !

As regards the 'object' (instead of track) angle - I do believe this may be relevant in some way. There are two pieces of track involved (2 x 1track). One has one end 'connected' (miraculously!) to a spline of a car parking lot!

So I did try deleting it as an object - but still no joy.

My best guess is that it may have come about through a copy/paste action some while ago. It occurred whilst I was building a fresh area in Surveyor, not connected in any way with the copied/pasted area - and was 'miles removed' from that area.

I have done a lot of work between the two incidents, and in different areas - up till now successfully. There seems to be no apparent reason why the copied/pasted area should be involved in any way (... so far)!

I'll keep trying the various suggestions .. thanks.

Cheers
Barry
 
Unable to delete spurious track issue - Success!!!!

G'day All,

Many many thanks for all your efforts.

I think what has worked was the...
'delete it as an object' idea.

I was sure I'd tried this - but I may have been only trying to delete the track and not the associated spline object!

I'm having trouble remembering just what I have tried so far :-((

Anyway - I think that was what did it.

To recap.. One end of one track - was apparently attched to a 'car parking lot' spline (...ie: weird).

Today, I had definitely moved that spline around - and with it went the dud track. ...Err ... huh?

I had definitely done a 'get' on the car-lot spline - preparatory to deleting & remaking that spline.

When I deleted the 'car parking lot' spline, the track (wait ....both of them)! .. disappeared as well !
NB: Only 1 track was attached to that spline ... curioser & curioser (said Alice :-)!

So .. it seems to be fixed .. and now all I have to do is remake all the areas clobbered by the effects of my unintentional 'smooth track' ... whilst fiddling to fix the original problem!

Whilst that's not an entirely pleasant prospect, it's a major step forward - so many many thanks again to all who responded!


BTW ....

One major catch-22 of the auto-save in Surveyor ... is that it had saved this unwanted happening - before I had realised it had even occurred.

I don't know how many undo steps are 'saved' here - so perhaps if I'd thought of trying enough 'undos' *immediately*, I might have been able to get back to a point 'just before' it had happened. Tho' of course, I'd also have had to then redo everything else done in-between. But it might have been the case of the 'lesser of two evils' - who knows.

Phew ! What a saga! ....

Again, many many thanks to all who offered suggestions!

Cheers
Barry
 
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