TS12 wont run on Windows 8

[JCitron]

I never upgrade, I leap frog. Dos to win98 to XP to Win7. My strategy is not to chase the gimmicks but to jump at real change in computing. But the real reason is technology, when gaming catches up to the new stuff and my old computer is starting to wheeze at the strain then its time to build the next gaming rig. buying the new programs and other new stuff is a pain but I still like sitting in my office in my comfy chair and do stuff, I like my smart phone for now, not a big fan of tablets, laptops. Screen is so small for the games I like. Never use a monitor under 25" again. ... starting to ramble, time for bed. later -Ern.

That's the smart thing to do. My hardware upgrades are similar with most being last year's technology or at least a few months old. You not only save money, but also save the aggravation dealing with unknown drivers, BIOS issues, and anything else that can go wrong with the latest and greatest. I'm not crazy about the so-called smart phones either. I agree those screens are way too small to be functional. I tried once and only once to use my Blackberry (don't laugh) for web access. I could even see the screen, so that ended really fast!

I used to jump right away to the latest, since I was beta tester for Microsoft. I was a real beta tester and not one of the gazillion people who tested the software, so I got free copies of the OSs before they were released. With Windows 8, I was going to wait, but ended up jumping in a bit early because I know I'll have to support the OS anyway. There will someone at work who will bring in something that's running it and sure is shooting, I'll be asked to make it work. I figured if I at least have a cursory look at it, I can get their applications running and they'd be happy.

John

 

[Robert2d6]

That's the smart thing to do. My hardware upgrades are similar with most being last year's technology or at least a few months old. You not only save money, but also save the aggravation dealing with unknown drivers, BIOS issues, and anything else that can go wrong with the latest and greatest. I'm not crazy about the so-called smart phones either. I agree those screens are way too small to be functional. I tried once and only once to use my Blackberry (don't laugh) for web access. I could even see the screen, so that ended really fast!

I used to jump right away to the latest, since I was beta tester for Microsoft. I was a real beta tester and not one of the gazillion people who tested the software, so I got free copies of the OSs before they were released. With Windows 8, I was going to wait, but ended up jumping in a bit early because I know I'll have to support the OS anyway. There will someone at work who will bring in something that's running it and sure is shooting, I'll be asked to make it work. I figured if I at least have a cursory look at it, I can get their applications running and they'd be happy.

John

Some phones like the Galaxy Note have amazing screens and are very readable. Can't compare to the Blackberry which is just about dead and buried in today's smartphone world. I use my smartphone more than my desktop now.

 

[JCitron]

Some phones like the Galaxy Note have amazing screens and are very readable. Can't compare to the Blackberry which is just about dead and buried in today's smartphone world. I use my smartphone more than my desktop now.

I'll have to take a look at the Galaxy one of these days. My Blackberry is free since the company paid for the phone and is paying for the service.

My problem too is double vision and poor close and distance eyesight. Even with my glasses, I'm either too close or too far away to see the text. This also makes putting stuff together awfully difficult as well because I can't see half of the tiny parts!

John

 

[RRSignal]

I'm not crazy about the so-called smart phones either. I agree those screens are way too small to be functional. I tried once and only once to use my Blackberry (don't laugh) for web access. I could even see the screen, so that ended really fast!

Lol. don't bother. Smartphones and tablets are designed for the consumption of information, and even that's sketchy. Think about this: To even type a 140-character-or-less text requires a lot of help for many if not most people in the form of auto-correct on phone. In other words, they've severely exceeded the realistic limits of usability by many if not most people. Tablets aren't all the much better. Just as important is the cost-benefit analysis: What do people really use a smartphone for? Making calls, sure. Sending texts, sure. Email maybe. For many (and I would say not just most but virtually ALL) the rest is entertainment. Better the get a PS Vita and save b-ttloads of money on the data charges let alone hardware costs.

I used to jump right away to the latest, since I was beta tester for Microsoft. I was a real beta tester and not one of the gazillion people who tested the software, so I got free copies of the OSs before they were released. With Windows 8, I was going to wait, but ended up jumping in a bit early because I know I'll have to support the OS anyway. There will someone at work who will bring in something that's running it and sure is shooting, I'll be asked to make it work. I figured if I at least have a cursory look at it, I can get their applications running and they'd be happy.

Same here, but I don't see anyone running for Win8 just yet. And, as you are aware, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole for business or personal use.

 

[Robert2d6]

Lol. don't bother. Smartphones and tablets are designed for the consumption of information, and even that's sketchy. Think about this: To even type a 140-character-or-less text requires a lot of help for many if not most people in the form of auto-correct on phone. In other words, they've severely exceeded the realistic limits of usability by many if not most people. Tablets aren't all the much better. Just as important is the cost-benefit analysis: What do people really use a smartphone for? Making calls, sure. Sending texts, sure. Email maybe. For many (and I would say not just most but virtually ALL) the rest is entertainment. Better the get a PS Vita and save b-ttloads of money on the data charges let alone hardware costs.

Here is what I use my Smart phone for on a daily basis, most of them , multiple times a day:
1 Reading and writing emails
2 Looking up information on the web
3 Checking this forum with the Android App for Trainz
4 Checking and adding to my Google calendar, my appointments
5 Getting Reminder emails from my Google calendar
6. Waze Navigation for driving and directions
7. Checking Weather
8. Getting latest news from USA Today
9 Listening to Podcast
10 Getting books from Audible.com and listening to them ( 18 books so far this year )
11 Checking my bank balance and making payments
12. Checking Facebook
13 Making and receiving Phone Calls
14 Looking up Restaurants and location
15 Listening to Radio stations from all over the world on TuneIn Radio
16 Listening to my Music collection
17 reading business info that is stored on Google cloud that I need when not home on my Desktop
18 Recording exercise routines
19 Looking up phone numbers and addresses
20 Checking weather forecasts, time and temp
21 Taking pictures with the built in camera.
22 Flashlight when needed at night
24 Checking reviews and pricing info when shopping in a store


I haven't carried a camera or watch with me in years, use the phone instead.



These are just a few things that I can think of right now cause it's early in the morning, I am sure there are many more. I could not get along with my Android Phone. That is why, they are selling in the millions and millions, all over the world. Samsung just introduced the Galaxey Note ll a month ago and they have already sold three million of them in a month. That is just one model of from one manufacturer. They expect the iPhone 5 to reach almost 1/2 billion phones in 2013. http://www.dailytech.com/Smartphone...Percent+for+First+Time+in+US/article29100.htm

As far as Tablets and Pads go, they are eventually going to replace desktops and laptops, and that is what Microsoft and Apple are planning for. Some of the new Tablets have as much or more processing power than some PC's had a few years ago.
http://venturebeat.com/2012/08/15/tablet-computer-sales-will-overtake-notebooks-by-2016/

Another thing to consider is that a modern phone like the Galaxy Note II has a Quad Core Processor running at 1.5 Ghz with 2GBs ram. That has more processing power than a Desktop of I bought 7 years ago.

 

[JCitron]

Lol. don't bother. Smartphones and tablets are designed for the consumption of information, and even that's sketchy. Think about this: To even type a 140-character-or-less text requires a lot of help for many if not most people in the form of auto-correct on phone. In other words, they've severely exceeded the realistic limits of usability by many if not most people. Tablets aren't all the much better. Just as important is the cost-benefit analysis: What do people really use a smartphone for? Making calls, sure. Sending texts, sure. Email maybe. For many (and I would say not just most but virtually ALL) the rest is entertainment. Better the get a PS Vita and save b-ttloads of money on the data charges let alone hardware costs.



Same here, but I don't see anyone running for Win8 just yet. And, as you are aware, I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole for business or personal use.

I agree Win8 is definitely not ready for the corporate world. For new people getting new machines, sure why not. If I didn't support this stuff, I don't think I would have jumped on it to tell you the truth. Although... the more I use it, the more I'm finding little nifty things like the ability to split the screen so there are two applications running at the same time like the desktop on one and another app on another. With dual monitors, there is the desktop task bard on both displays. This is really useful as you know when trying to get to something that's been buried by a maximized application on the main screen.

I admit that these things could easily have been add-ons to Win7, but isn't that the way things go? Put the newer, better features (well sometimes) into the latest version.

I agree on the 'smart' devices. I have an awful time using a regular keyboard and mouse and a worse time using my Asus Transformer with a keyboard dock. With that thing, I end up maximizing the screen instead of submitting a forum post, or worse going off to the wrong website because I grazed a button the wrong way.

John

 

[RRSignal]

Here is what I use my Smart phone for on a daily basis, most of them , multiple times a day:

I do all of those things too, pretty much every day, with an LG Envy and a conventional computer (although I do own a separate SLR camera because I'm into quality photos, including making textures for content.) And I manage to save $50+ a month on data charges. And I don't have to replace my device every 6-12 months because the screen broke or the device flaked out. Also, I don't have to charge either after a couple of hours of use - with light texting and phone use, I only have to charge it every 3 days or so.

In fact, I can do all these things for less than your data charges alone.

1 Reading and writing emails

Been doing that for over 20 years on a conventional machine. No need to spend $50+ a month for that feature.

2 Looking up information on the web

Been doing that for over 20 years on a conventional machine. No need to spend 50+ a month for that feature.

3 Checking this forum with the Android App for Trainz

Been doing that for over 20 years on a conventional machine. No need to spend 50+ a month for that feature. Also, I don't need a special app to do that.

4 Checking and adding to my Google calendar, my appointments

Both phone and comp can do that easily. Been doing that for over 20 years on a conventional machine. No need to spend 50+ a month for that feature. Also, I don't need to subscribe to Google.

5 Getting Reminder emails from my Google calendar[/quite]

See #5. Not a problem.

6. Waze Navigation for driving and directions

Lol. I rarely get lost in the first place, but I still can use a map or GPS.

7. Checking Weather

Computer, TV or radio. Free.

8. Getting latest news from USA Today

Wouldn't touch that rag with a 20-foot pole, but can do this with a conventional computer or radio.

9 Listening to Podcast

Can do this with any computer or my phone. Can also do it with my MP3 player.

10 Getting books from Audible.com and listening to them ( 18 books so far this year )

I don't bother with audio books but AFAIK this can easily be done with any computer, my cheap feature phone, MP3 player, etc.

11 Checking my bank balance and making payments

Can do with any computer, probably at least as securely if not more so.

12. Checking Facebook

Hate Facebook and Twit, but could do this with any computer. I don't need to spend $50 a month to find out what my best friend ate for breakfast or to feed any narcissism.

13 Making and receiving Phone Calls

Phone. Can skype on computer too.

14 Looking up Restaurants and location

Can do on any computer, or any phone capable of making phone calls.

[quote[15 Listening to Radio stations from all over the world on TuneIn Radio

Not familiar with TuneIn, but should be able to do this one any computer. I can also record from Pandora, etc.

16 Listening to my Music collection

Phone, any computer, or my $20 MP3 player can do this, without annoying others.

17 reading business info that is stored on Google cloud that I need when not home on my Desktop

Can do this kind of thing on any computer e.g. a laptop.

18 Recording exercise routines

Can do on any computer.

19 Looking up phone numbers and addresses

Can do on any computer. I also have a Contacts list in my phone (like pretty much every other modern one) that can store an contacts list.

20 Checking weather forecasts, time and temp

Can do this with any computer, or use free radio or TV.

21 Taking pictures with the built in camera.

Can do with phone, and even laptop. I prefer to do the job right and take pictures with my SLR though.

22 Flashlight when needed at night

$1 flashlight from Dollar Tree lasts about 6 hours. $1 keychain light, also from Dollar Tree, lasts about 3.

24 Checking reviews and pricing info when shopping in a store

Can do with any computer. Moreover, knock on wood, but I've probably saved tons of money from avoiding "impulse purchases" by actually sitting down and doing proper research and comparison shopping.


For the record, I have a $389 laptop, a $50 camera phone, a $20 MP3 player, and have a $99 GPS which was a gift. Collectively, all these devices together are less than what a typical smartphone user spends on data charges alone for 1 year. Add in the SLR and the car radio (which came with my Santa Fe) and it's still considerably less than what you will pay over the course of a 2-year contract just for the data charges alone on a smartphone.

 

[JCitron]

Tune-In is a free download available on Windows 8 now too that has a bunch o' links to different internet radio stations. I tried it out of curiosity and listened to www.wgbh.org WGBH 99.5 Classical Radio station. Not a big deal because I can go there and listen to their station anyway. What I do like is the ability to listen to other stations I've never heard about, and to those located in other parts of the world.

I get my work email on my phone using special software called Notify Link www.notifylink.com This is a company-subscribed and paid for service. This is awful software to setup and takes all of the mobile phone and smart phone gods to muster up their powerful rays to install it. Once the golden light appears from the floating orb, and the phone fairies drop their dust, the software will install and hopefully not need an upgrade.

I agree the costs for the individual services on the mobile devices is outrageous since I can do the same things such as reading email, sending messages, and browsing the web without paying extra and above what I paid for internet service and the hardware. I'm lucky that Oracle pays for my phone and the data services, but they get a big discount from me every month anyway because I only use the phone and email.

John

 

[winjmoore]

If anyone is keen on making Windows 8 work re trainz please see thread Windows8 running Trainz 12 what you need and how to make it work... Windows eight see ya

 

[Robert2d6]

Tune-In is a free download available on Windows 8 now too that has a bunch o' links to different internet radio stations. I tried it out of curiosity and listened to www.wgbh.org WGBH 99.5 Classical Radio station. Not a big deal because I can go there and listen to their station anyway. What I do like is the ability to listen to other stations I've never heard about, and to those located in other parts of the world.

I get my work email on my phone using special software called Notify Link www.notifylink.com This is a company-subscribed and paid for service. This is awful software to setup and takes all of the mobile phone and smart phone gods to muster up their powerful rays to install it. Once the golden light appears from the floating orb, and the phone fairies drop their dust, the software will install and hopefully not need an upgrade.

I agree the costs for the individual services on the mobile devices is outrageous since I can do the same things such as reading email, sending messages, and browsing the web without paying extra and above what I paid for internet service and the hardware. I'm lucky that Oracle pays for my phone and the data services, but they get a big discount from me every month anyway because I only use the phone and email.

John

I pay $10 on my data plan with T-mobile and get 2 gigs of data. I have never used more than 500 megs of data, because most of the time I get everything on wifi, which is all over the place for free, including in my home. Email and all my other apps are mostly free, and most pay apps are $1-2, which I have a couple of. Couldn't live without a smart phone, or running water, or electricity either for that matter either.

 

[William0d0]

I pay $10 on my data plan with T-mobile and get 2 gigs of data. I have never used more than 500 megs of data, because most of the time I get everything on wifi, which is all over the place for free, including in my home. Email and all my other apps are mostly free, and most pay apps are $1-2, which I have a couple of. Couldn't live without a smart phone, or running water, or electricity either for that matter either.

I take it you wouldn't live here.

:hehe:

 

[Robert2d6]

This poll just out today. http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2012/11/14/poll-shows-us-consumers-hesitant-windows-8/1700585/

 

[MNIBARI08]

It does work but there's problems with content manager plus when installing or downloading content I get a lot flicking then black screen then end up a freeze up then does not reply to any commands when moving the mouse but one good thing comes out of this 80% it does work, it just require a patch to deal with content manager plus to make it stable thanks, just to add that even if you tested with TrainzDiag and it passes with ticks from your graphics card, be sure that the driver is stable to support windows 8.

I do not reccommend at this time if you are using a Geforce card do not download 310.70 or 310.90 updates then you be freezes or black out or not working to your normal PC. I having testing this because I have Geforce 9500GT works well normally with Trainz 12 100% but due to Windows 8 I get the problem I have been talking about, Please note it's not hardware's fault. Its the driver from NVIDIA that's course this problem.

I am running 32bit PC and running Win8 pro

 

[djt]

It does work but there's problems with content manager plus when installing or downloading content I get a lot flicking then black screen then end up a freeze up then does not reply to any commands when moving the mouse but one good thing comes out of this 80% it does work, it just require a patch to deal with content manager plus to make it stable thanks, just to add that even if you tested with TrainzDiag and it passes with ticks from your graphics card, be sure that the driver is stable to support windows 8.

I do not reccommend at this time if you are using a Geforce card do not download 310.70 or 310.90 updates then you be freezes or black out or not working to your normal PC. I having testing this because I have Geforce 9500GT works well normally with Trainz 12 100% but due to Windows 8 I get the problem I have been talking about, Please note it's not hardware's fault. Its the driver from NVIDIA that's course this problem.

I’m using the 310.70 drivers on Windows 8 Pro 64 with a GTX 680 and haven’t experienced any of the problems you’ve mentioned.

 

[Clancy2012]

In early December I foolishly bought Win 8. It cost me about 25 dollars on a Microsoft promo site. I loaded it onto my alienware desktop, a complete fresh install. I spent a week securing drivers, then started loading on software. TS12 would not start period! After 2 weeks of pain, I dumped it - re installed win7 ultimate 64. I had TS12 back to full potential in 2 days and have been happy since. I guess the old adage if aint broke don't fix it applies. They can keep Win 8, it's too fiddly and most of the 3rd party software suppliers don't even know where to begin with providing drivers for it.

Win 8 seems to be geared for those who work from "The Cloud" and that ain't me. If you have the stomach for it , bin it and roll back!

 

[oknotsen]

TS12 runs on Win 8

My old PC died. It was 8 years old, so I did not try to revive it.
Bought a PC set together by our local PC shop, added a SSD so had to re-install Windows 8. Did it the good old next-next-next-finish way.

First thing I did was re-install TS12. Next-next-next-finished, with 1 exception: Installed it in "C:\games\TS12" as I always install my games in a games folder.

My conclusion and experience so far:
TS12 runs perfect on Windows 8.

 

[djt]

In early December I foolishly bought Win 8. It cost me about 25 dollars on a Microsoft promo site. I loaded it onto my alienware desktop, a complete fresh install. I spent a week securing drivers, then started loading on software. TS12 would not start period! After 2 weeks of pain, I dumped it - re installed win7 ultimate 64. I had TS12 back to full potential in 2 days and have been happy since. I guess the old adage if aint broke don't fix it applies. They can keep Win 8, it's too fiddly and most of the 3rd party software suppliers don't even know where to begin with providing drivers for it.

Win 8 seems to be geared for those who work from "The Cloud" and that ain't me. If you have the stomach for it , bin it and roll back!

No problems here Clancy, runs just as good as it does on Windows 7/SP1 64 for me, the game just loads faster on Win8.

 

[Robert2d6]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw

 

[Jananton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fsyb-ttcw

Well, watching that I hardly could refrain from laughing out loud. :hehe:

Greetings from dusk Amsterdam,

Jan

 

[JCitron]

I had no problems running Trainz under Win8. I had to use Open/GL drivers though. Also make sure you run Trainz as Administrator, just like you did for Windows Vista and Windows 7.

John