TS12 wont run on Windows 8

jkuhn said:
I will be purchasing Windows 8 tomorrow. I am definitely going to take advantage of the $39.99 offer. :)

I think for some people, they are trying to run TS12 from the Start menu,and not in Desktop and maybe Compatibility Mode.

Whats very interesting about Windows 8's special offer, is that Microsoft is also letting those with "Pirated" Win7/XP copies, upgrade! So another plus for the poor folks who can't afford the $200 software. :)
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They are giving it away for $39 because nobody is buying it. If you read tech articles and listen to Tech shows on the net and radio, the only people that are interested in all in Windows 8, are tablet customers and users that are getting touch screens. Businesses won't touch it with a 10 foot pole, and the majority of users that have installed it on desktops, are not happy with it.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Windows-8-Gaming-developers-Stardock-Newell,16788.html
http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/21181/microsoft-earnings-slide-highlight-problems-windows-8

http://redmondmag.com/articles/2012/09/01/the-review-you-wrote.aspx

http://blog.laptopmag.com/usability-expert-windows-8-on-pcs-is-confusing-a-cognitive-burden

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/10/29/3620798.htm
 
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I know I definitely will not be upgrading to Windows 8 unless I have to (buying a machine with it on). It's probably going to be like Vista or Windows ME was - versions that some people wanted to avoid.

Shane
 
shaneturner12 said:
I know I definitely will not be upgrading to Windows 8 unless I have to (buying a machine with it on). It's probably going to be like Vista or Windows ME was - versions that some people wanted to avoid.

Shane
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Most PC manufacturers will give you the option of installing Windows 7 on your new PC. They have to, because consumers don't want it and won't buy their products if they can't get Windows 7.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2011...ring-windows-7-after-launch-of-windows-8.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2012/10/28/poll-scant-demand-for-microsofts-windows-8/1664465/
 
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That's good, as I feel that Windows 8 will need a service pack or similar to give users the option to not use the Modern/Metro interface without needing to use a registry tweak or a third-party tool.

Shane
 
jkuhn said:
I will be purchasing Windows 8 tomorrow. I am definitely going to take advantage of the $39.99 offer. :)

I think for some people, they are trying to run TS12 from the Start menu,and not in Desktop and maybe Compatibility Mode.

Whats very interesting about Windows 8's special offer, is that Microsoft is also letting those with "Pirated" Win7/XP copies, upgrade! So another plus for the poor folks who can't afford the $200 software. :)
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Lol, I know a lot of those people and they wouldn't upgrade to Win8 for a dollar.

Microsoft is doing this because of the lack of adoption of their last two OS', especially in the enterprise. As somebody noted upthread, their company is only now migrating their company from XP to Win7 now, some 5 years after the release of Vista and 3 after the release on Win7. Many companies have no immediate upgrade plans.

Microsoft is just plain desperate now.
 
bnortham said:
Thanks to NV3 for keeping up (giggle giggle)!?!? Windows 8 has been out in one form or another for quite a while now. Why couldn't they at least try to get ahead of the market for a change! As of last Friday ALL new computers in the US are being sold with Windows 8 installed. Anyway here is a list of symptoms for TS12 not working: Running Windows 8 PRO 32-bit; Trainz Build #49922; DirectX ver.11; ATI Radeon HD 4600 series. CMP ver.3.6 works just fine. Trying to start Trainz from the launcher or from CMP solicits the following: "Your computer hardware and/of software is unable to communicate with Trainz correctly." Be sure your have the latest drivers (I do). Install DirectX 9.0 (I have ver.11). Is my ONLY option to revert back to Windows 7?:'(
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How do we know that they're not working on a Win8 version? They're not exactly privy with their development process with us, and besides software testing takes time. They don't want to rush something out and have everything crash.
The fact that some people here have gotten the program to run under Win8 shows that it can be done. Perhaps you have a driver and or permissions problems.

RRSignal said:
Lol, I know a lot of those people and they wouldn't upgrade to Win8 for a dollar.

Microsoft is doing this because of the lack of adoption of their last two OS', especially in the enterprise. As somebody noted upthread, their company is only now migrating their company from XP to Win7 now, some 5 years after the release of Vista and 3 after the release on Win7. Many companies have no immediate upgrade plans.

Microsoft is just plain desperate now.
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I don't think so. The press has lambasted the product just like they did with Vista even before Vista came out. By doing this, the public hated it before it was out the door! There were other issues to with Vista, but yes it was a transitional product just like Win8 is. We'll have to wait and see. Remember too that Bill and Paul are no longer there to market the product. This is a whole new development and marketing team. From what I've read in a lot of tech news that a lot of people actually like Win8; it's just different.

Companies always wait before upgrading. We'll be installing Windows 7 still when Microsoft has Windows 17 out. There are many reasons why including software compatibility issues, cost, training, legacy program and virtual machines, etc.

John
 
Sometimes I think I'm in a time warp because I'm old enough to remember the same "I ain't never ever gonna run something new like Windows (2000, XP, Win7, Win8)" comments. We can leave Windows ME and Vista unmentioned, of course. I think this is some kind of a rather silly psychohistorical cycle that has to occur whenever a new OS is released by the Microsofties. Hey, it's a corporation. They're going to make new software and try to sell as many copies as they can. They're not the only business that does that, right, right? Yeah, rah, capitalism, right? :D

Thanks for the good information from people who reported that they're running Trainz on Win8 with no problems. Good to know. Thank you very much for letting us know. I hear the same reports from flightsimmers running FSX and also from trainsimmers running programs other than Trainz.

History shows Microsoft usually gets a major OS revamp right the second time around, but unless you're never ever going to buy new hardware or state of the art software (i.e. new software), then staying stuck on XP or, in years to come, Win7, won't be likely. Everything in the world has a life cycle, including software, sorry to tell you. The old saying "This, too, shall pass", comes to mind. At the university where I work, I estimate 98 percent of university-owned pc's are running Windows 7, 1.5 percent still running XP due to old hardware devices or legacy software like 16-bit apps, and .5 percent running some form of Linux, along with the usual much-smaller-but-very-loyal Macintosh user groups and their gear. Progressive universities are obligated to provide students with up-to-date technology, the "edge", as we call it. They're paying to be here to learn how to use the new stuff, not the old.

Win8 is not on my wish list to Father Christmas this year, but maybe it will be next year. That is, if I'm good and I get a nice i7 computer for Trainz and my other sims.
 
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ftldave said:
At the university where I work, I estimate 98 percent of university-owned pc's are running Windows 7, 1.5 percent still running XP due to old hardware devices or legacy software like 16-bit apps, and .5 percent running some form of Linux, along with the usual much-smaller-but-very-loyal Macintosh user groups and their gear. Progressive universities are obligated to provide students with up-to-date technology, the "edge", as we call it. They're paying to be here to learn how to use the new stuff, not the old.
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That's great when you're using OPM (Other People's Money) but when you actually have to budget money from your profits (or lack thereof) or personal budget, you can't afford to do that. That's part of the reason why corporate America is still mostly using XP.

If your statement is true - a big if, since I don't believe that's the case at Princeton, though things could have changed in the last year - then it suggest some people feel like they must upgrade not because they need to, but because they need to adopt an image of using the latest. In fact, that's probably the motivation for most people to upgrade - not because they need to, but because they feel they have to for boasting rights.

In the private sector, people use computers to get business done, in the most efficient manner possible and preferably at the lowest cost. To be sure, there are IT staff that feel the need to boast about having the latest of this or that but, at the end of the day, it's all about getting business done. If XP, 2000, etc. are sufficient to do that, that's what will be used, and is much of the reason why business tends to stay with older OS' for so long.

I guess that's the difference between the private and public sectors*.

*BTW, for those outside the U.S., private universities are largely funded by the public.
 
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I was not a fan of the new Start Menu when I first saw it. But when I was at Best Buy last week I got the chance to take Windows 8 for a spin.

As someone who owns a Windows Phone and an Xbox 360, the METRO UI is very familiar territory. Yeah, businesses may hate it,but I am pretty sure Microsoft has a business version planned.

Now I can say this: IF YOU HAVE BEEN USING WINDOWS YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, OR EVER SINCE WINDOWS 95 CAME OUT (LIKE ME), THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE TO BE PATIENT WITH THE NEW FORMAT.

You still have a desktop with icons and such, but the lack of a start menu on it is weird. HOWEVER! The advantage is that the system is much more customizable,and getting to say the Control Panel and Computer are easier now than ever, in my opinion.

For those who are used to Windows Phone, or Xbox's UI, then this new Win8 format shouldn't be a big issue. IF you don't like it,then stay with XP or 7, there isn't any issue with doing that either.
 
Toms Hardware have done some comparative benchmark tests on games with Win7 and Win8, apart from one game which would not run on full settings in Win8, there was no difference, just confirms to me, as did the preview that it's just Win7 underneath. Plenty of hacks appearing to disable Metro for those who can't stand it. Or stick with Win7.
So on the surface it doesn't look as if running games is going to be problem, other than having to navigate through the Metro thing.

One thing MS need to do with Win8, is enable a boot to desktop choice that you can enable, otherwise they will loose the custom of lot of the older generation of PC users who don't use, need or want any of this gadget and Social Networking stuff and there is one heck of a lot of us.

There are a few hacks appearing on the Web to enable booting to desktop and restoration of the Start Menu and Explorer, looks like the stuffs still there just hidden.
 
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jkuhn said:
I was not a fan of the new Start Menu when I first saw it. But when I was at Best Buy last week I got the chance to take Windows 8 for a spin.

As someone who owns a Windows Phone and an Xbox 360, the METRO UI is very familiar territory. Yeah, businesses may hate it,but I am pretty sure Microsoft has a business version planned.

Now I can say this: IF YOU HAVE BEEN USING WINDOWS YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, OR EVER SINCE WINDOWS 95 CAME OUT (LIKE ME), THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE TO BE PATIENT WITH THE NEW FORMAT.

You still have a desktop with icons and such, but the lack of a start menu on it is weird. HOWEVER! The advantage is that the system is much more customizable,and getting to say the Control Panel and Computer are easier now than ever, in my opinion.

For those who are used to Windows Phone, or Xbox's UI, then this new Win8 format shouldn't be a big issue. IF you don't like it,then stay with XP or 7, there isn't any issue with doing that either.
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I tried it, and if you are used to the flexibility of regular Windows desktop, Metro is like using a computer in a straight jacket.
 
clam1952 said:
Toms Hardware have done some comparative benchmark tests on games with Win7 and Win8, apart from one game which would not run on full settings in Win8, there was no difference, just confirms to me, as did the preview that it's just Win7 underneath. Plenty of hacks appearing to disable Metro for those who can't stand it. Or stick with Win7.
So on the surface it doesn't look as if running games is going to be problem, other than having to navigate through the Metro thing.

One thing MS need to do with Win8, is enable a boot to desktop choice that you can enable, otherwise they will loose the custom of lot of the older generation of PC users who don't use, need or want any of this gadget and Social Networking stuff and there is one heck of a lot of us.

There are a few hacks appearing on the Web to enable booting to desktop and restoration of the Start Menu and Explorer, looks like the stuffs still there just hidden.
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The bottom line is that Microsoft is looking at the sales of iPads, Tablets, and Smartphones, and is betting on the demise of the desktop within a year or two, except for business and a small niche of users. So that is what the focus of Windows 8 is based on. As far as worrying about the "older generation", I doubt if they think about that more than a microsecond.
 
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I have TS12 running on Windows 8 on my HP Laptop. Patched to latest version. Be sure you have your Firewall turned off when you install and also that when you open it or patch it you use the "run as administrator" option. Haven't done a lot yet but did create a very small route and ran it for a while, portal to portal trains, without difficulty. .....BP
 
Robert2d6 said:
The bottom line is that Microsoft is looking at the sales of iPads, Tablets, and Smartphones, and is betting on the demise of the desktop within a year or two, except for business and a small niche of users. So that is what the focus of Windows 8 is based on. As far as worrying about the "older generation", I doubt if they think about that more than a microsecond.
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The older generation is probably millions of potential customers who might have upgraded, MS would be extremely stupid to ignore their existence. The younger users are already catered for by proven gadgets, can't see anything in Metro that is going to get people to drop apple or Android. Face it MS is desperate to be number one again.
 
Considering that Microsoft has approximately 84% of the OS market share, I really doubt that they are desperate for anything. With Apple hot on their heals at approximately 10.7%, I don't see Microsoft doing ANYTHING "desperate to be number one again."

Devices running Android or iOS or Blackberry, etc, are NOT a threat to the OS market - these devices will never replace actual computers with actual operating systems.
 
bpalmer said:
I have TS12 running on Windows 8 on my HP Laptop. Patched to latest version. Be sure you have your Firewall turned off when you install and also that when you open it or patch it you use the "run as administrator" option. Haven't done a lot yet but did create a very small route and ran it for a while, portal to portal trains, without difficulty. .....BP
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This is good to know. The method you described is exactly how I've installed Trainz in Win7. I also do not install the program in C:\Program Files (x86)\... etc., but instead in D:\Auran\TS12. This not only makes it easier to back up and restore, but also avoids the Program Data and App Data issue with assets.

My concern right now is drivers. They say that Win8 can use Win7 drivers which sounds oh, so great, but the Win7 drivers I don't think are quite optimized for Win8 so there may be a performance issue. I'm going to wait for the Win8-specific drivers to come out first, along with a bunch o'patches, before upgrading my desktop.

I too see either some hacks or the option to remove the new start screen, whatever it's called lately, to allow people to run what they want.

John
 
kd7eirjim said:
Considering that Microsoft has approximately 84% of the OS market share, I really doubt that they are desperate for anything. With Apple hot on their heals at approximately 10.7%, I don't see Microsoft doing ANYTHING "desperate to be number one again."

Devices running Android or iOS or Blackberry, etc, are NOT a threat to the OS market - these devices will never replace actual computers with actual operating systems.
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I'm not talking about existing share of OS market, I'm talking about Apple overtaking Microsoft as the biggest tech company http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/08/20/apples-market-value-to-infinity-and-beyond/
 
kd7eirjim said:
Considering that Microsoft has approximately 84% of the OS market share, I really doubt that they are desperate for anything. With Apple hot on their heals at approximately 10.7%, I don't see Microsoft doing ANYTHING "desperate to be number one again."

Devices running Android or iOS or Blackberry, etc, are NOT a threat to the OS market - these devices will never replace actual computers with actual operating systems.
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Apple is making more money just with their iPhone, than the profit of the entire Microsoft Company. Factor in iPads and Apple Computers, and MS is sinking like the Titanic. http://betanews.com/2012/01/24/iphone-generates-more-revenue-than-all-microsoft/
 
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