TS12 wont run on Windows 8

AntonyVW said:
I beta tested win 8 for several months. Never did get trainz to run on it nor minecraft or a host of other games either. I did not like win 8 then and I wont be buying it now that it has gone retail.
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I think that both Apple and MS feel that the days of the PC as we know it today are going fast, and that is why MS took the jump and designed Windows 8. The new Surface they just introduced is getting rave reviews from people that actually have tried one, and while it doesn't have many of the features of a PC, for many users it has everything they need on a daily basis. Emails, popular apps, web browsing, etc. is all many people do. I think business, some of which still are using XP, will eventually adopt Windows 7 as their gold standard, and will use it for many, many years. I don't think you will see major businesses adopting Windows 8, either RT or Pro, in any way.

Me , having moved from XP to Windows 7, since the beginning of the year, love the stability of Windows 7, it does everything I need, and doesn't ever crash. Can't beat that. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
Robert2d6 said:
I think that both Apple and MS feel that the days of the PC as we know it today are going fast, and that is why MS took the jump and designed Windows 8. The new Surface they just introduced is getting rave reviews from people that actually have tried one, and while it doesn't have many of the features of a PC, for many users it has everything they need on a daily basis. Emails, popular apps, web browsing, etc. is all many people do. I think business, some of which still are using XP, will eventually adopt Windows 7 as their gold standard, and will use it for many, many years. I don't think you will see major businesses adopting Windows 8, either RT or Pro, in any way.

Me , having moved from XP to Windows 7, since the beginning of the year, love the stability of Windows 7, it does everything I need, and doesn't ever crash. Can't beat that. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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I agree with the sentiment. Besides beta testing 8 I also beta tested 7. They are very different to each other. Like many others Ive seen a lot of changes over the years. My first computer was the good old ZX81. Had a wacking 1k of ram which was expandable to 8k. I eventually ended up with an 086 pc with MS Dos on it. How things have changed. Yes we will need to move on with improvements in the OS. But I do not think that 8 is the way to go. But thats me personally and Im sure there will be others who will love 8 because it reminds them of a games console.
 
Already at least one registry hack to stop Metro loading and it seems MS are in trouble with the EU yet again over the browser choice issue.
Personally I prefer to have a PC set up to suit my way of working, I don't need to contact any Social Networking Twits or the Farcebook obsessed or any of the other junk that comes with Metro, plenty of people who feel the same. Afraid the preview didn't last very long here.

Also an ex MS beta tester, I stopped after Win7 as Win8 just didn't look like the way forward, probably isn't for the desktop which despite the propaganda isn't going away just yet.
 
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clam1952 said:
Already at least one registry hack to stop Metro loading and it seems MS are in trouble with the EU yet again over the browser choice issue.
Personally I prefer to have a PC set up to suit my way of working, I don't need to contact any Social Networking Twits or the Farcebook obsessed or any of the other junk that comes with Metro, plenty of people who feel the same. Afraid the preview didn't last very long here.

Also an ex MS beta tester, I stopped after Win7 as Win8 just didn't look like the way forward, probably isn't for the desktop which despite the propaganda isn't going away just yet.
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I tried Windows 8 and of all the operating systems, I've never even continued to try Windows 8 for more than an hour because really I just couldn't be bothered with it. Strange as I used the beta for Vista extensively (nearly a year), the beta for 7 extensively on my main systems and 8? Not even touched it. The UI is just awlful!! In fact, its counter intuitive.

I've got to the point where I want to go Linux and go Linux for good and as a result, I'm going small scale on my computers to use MS alternative programs and those that can't use the alternative, WINE it, if I can get 3DSM to WINE, RW/Steam to WINE and Trainz to WINE, I think that is all I need to convince me to go over to Linux.

Its getting to the point where I feel that as a consummer, Windows is probably looking at hitting the blocks, with a thump.
 
shaneturner12 said:
Interestingly enough, I was reading in my Computeractive magazine earlier today about a program that can help make Windows 8 look (and possibly behave) more like Windows 7. The program used was Classic Shell, and the program is available at http://classicshell.sourceforge.net.

Shane
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I just saw that too in an article on ZDNet. :)

If I go to Win8, I'll ditch the Metro interface unless there's a compelling reason to keep it. Perhaps as time goes on and more and more applications are written for the new interface, there maybe a reason to use it, but right now being desktop-centric versus a table user, the interface is awkward.

John
 
I think the reason Classic Shell is around is actually to also restore Start menu functionality as well, which is not present in any form in Win8.

Shane
 
JCitron said:
I just saw that too in an article on ZDNet. :)

If I go to Win8, I'll ditch the Metro interface unless there's a compelling reason to keep it. Perhaps as time goes on and more and more applications are written for the new interface, there maybe a reason to use it, but right now being desktop-centric versus a table user, the interface is awkward.

John
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Seems that the only people that like it at all are going to utilize it with touch screens.
 
Robert2d6 said:
Seems that the only people that like it at all are going to utilize it with touch screens.
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Exactly me feelings as well. I use this type of interface on my Asus Transformer and I hate it. I'm constantly leaving a ton of things open I don't need because I have so many applications started.

John
 
Wessex_Electric_Nutter said:
I tried Windows 8 and of all the operating systems, I've never even continued to try Windows 8 for more than an hour because really I just couldn't be bothered with it. Strange as I used the beta for Vista extensively (nearly a year), the beta for 7 extensively on my main systems and 8? Not even touched it. The UI is just awlful!! In fact, its counter intuitive.

I've got to the point where I want to go Linux and go Linux for good and as a result, I'm going small scale on my computers to use MS alternative programs and those that can't use the alternative, WINE it, if I can get 3DSM to WINE, RW/Steam to WINE and Trainz to WINE, I think that is all I need to convince me to go over to Linux.

Its getting to the point where I feel that as a consummer, Windows is probably looking at hitting the blocks, with a thump.
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I've though that as well, but I wouldn't sweat too much. Things haven't gotten that bad yet. I currently use XP. XP is the pinnacle of performance, stability, ease-of-use, optimization, etc. Sure, Microsoft has been on a downhill slide since they released XP, but end-of-support for it (or for Vista or Win7 for that matter) is greatly over-stated; an example of the FUD that rules the software world. Even when it does come, so what? No patches? There aren't many bugs that enter through OS holes, especially on a consumer machine; security flaws at higher-level programs are the problem, not OS ones. In fact, the only two I can think of historically that could have presented a problem have long been fixed. To top it all off, let's say a highly-critical, remotely-exploitable bug is discovered past the support date: You can still use your unsupported Microsoft OS in a non-networked gaming rig. Non-networked is the way to go anyway if you want maximum performance.
 
RRSignal said:
I've though that as well, but I wouldn't sweat too much. Things haven't gotten that bad yet. I currently use XP. XP is the pinnacle of performance, stability, ease-of-use, optimization, etc. Sure, Microsoft has been on a downhill slide since they released XP, but end-of-support for it (or for Vista or Win7 for that matter) is greatly over-stated; an example of the FUD that rules the software world. Even when it does come, so what? No patches? There aren't many bugs that enter through OS holes, especially on a consumer machine; security flaws at higher-level programs are the problem, not OS ones. In fact, the only two I can think of historically that could have presented a problem have long been fixed. To top it all off, let's say a highly-critical, remotely-exploitable bug is discovered past the support date: You can still use your unsupported Microsoft OS in a non-networked gaming rig. Non-networked is the way to go anyway if you want maximum performance.
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I agree! Way back in my old workplace, we used NT 4.0 SP6a until the bitter end of the company's life. People were saying you need to upgrade to stay ahead of the bugs, etc. I said why? We never had an attack and also the hackers were more interested in busting open Windows Server 7 and were no longer interested in NT 4.0. We didn't do anything more with the servers anyway other than use them for fileshares. The other issue too for not upgrading was software licensing and hardware. By the time the newer OSs were out, the company could not afford to upgrade anyway.

The only problem I see with XP going off the radar is activation. Eventually Microsoft will kill the activation for XP and then people will be forced to upgrade at least to Windows 7.

John
 
JCitron said:
The only problem I see with XP going off the radar is activation. Eventually Microsoft will kill the activation for XP and then people will be forced to upgrade at least to Windows 7.
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Yes, that is a potential concern, and why I am so opposed to DRM. However, XP was widely volume-licensed - I have VLKs for everything prior to Vista, so there is no activation. I don't know about Vista or Win7, since the business world is still predominantly XP (at least from what I've seen) and I haven't needed to support either that substantially. Moreover, although I build systems on the side for fun and a few dollars, my customers are happy with XP, and I'm going to push XP-64 for the forseeable future. I know I will have to investigate volume licensing for Win7 at some point, but it hasn't presented an issue thus far.
 
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Thanks to NV3 for keeping up (giggle giggle)!?!? Windows 8 has been out in one form or another for quite a while now. Why couldn't they at least try to get ahead of the market for a change! As of last Friday ALL new computers in the US are being sold with Windows 8 installed. Anyway here is a list of symptoms for TS12 not working: Running Windows 8 PRO 32-bit; Trainz Build #49922; DirectX ver.11; ATI Radeon HD 4600 series. CMP ver.3.6 works just fine. Trying to start Trainz from the launcher or from CMP solicits the following: "Your computer hardware and/of software is unable to communicate with Trainz correctly." Be sure your have the latest drivers (I do). Install DirectX 9.0 (I have ver.11). Is my ONLY option to revert back to Windows 7?:'(
 
I'm in the process of migrating 80+ XP users in the business division where I work. We're a software development shop, and most of our applications customers stuck with XP and didn't begin to migrate to Win 7 until recently. It's actually going quite well. I think the primary reason everyone stuck with XP was because Vista was so awful, and there was no upgrade path from XP. Win 7 has reached the point where it's very stable and predictable; something to be desired in a development environment.

Win 8 on the other hand is the answer to a question nobody asked. I have a friend at work who was planning to build a new system this weekend using Win 8, and he's a hardcore gamer, so tomorrow I'll see how it went for him.

But then there's the interface formerly known as Metro. Microsoft still hasn't decided on a new name for it. The best of the new name suggestions I heard for it is so far Windows Tablet Framework. Sort of covers the basic design concept, and the acronym is certainly appropriate.
 
nfitzsimmons said:
But then there's the interface formerly known as Metro. Microsoft still hasn't decided on a new name for it. The best of the new name suggestions I heard for it is so far Windows Tablet Framework. Sort of covers the basic design concept, and the acronym is certainly appropriate.
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Very appropriate. :hehe:
 
Trainz 12 is working fine for me on Windows 8 Pro 64 bit, NVIDIA GeForce 9400m G 2GB Video RAM, DirectX 11, 1280*800 32 bit, 4GB System RAM
I am running from the desktop rather than the start menu.
 
I will be purchasing Windows 8 tomorrow. I am definitely going to take advantage of the $39.99 offer. :)

I think for some people, they are trying to run TS12 from the Start menu,and not in Desktop and maybe Compatibility Mode.

Whats very interesting about Windows 8's special offer, is that Microsoft is also letting those with "Pirated" Win7/XP copies, upgrade! So another plus for the poor folks who can't afford the $200 software. :)
 
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