TS12 wont run on Windows 8
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shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
Unfortunately, you're out of luck at the moment. Even N3V may not have had chance to test TS12 with Windows 8.
What errors are you getting, if any? Bear in mind that the major issues you are likely to encounter are going to be related to graphics drivers, which are critical for TS12.
Shane
What errors are you getting, if any? Bear in mind that the major issues you are likely to encounter are going to be related to graphics drivers, which are critical for TS12.
Shane
I was going to say the same thing that Shane said a few seconds ahead of me. 
Are you trying to run this as a desktop application or as a "metro-style" app?
Have you tried any application compatibility mode options including running as administrator?
I'm only suggesting these things because even I haven't tested Windows 8 yet.
John
Are you trying to run this as a desktop application or as a "metro-style" app?
Have you tried any application compatibility mode options including running as administrator?
I'm only suggesting these things because even I haven't tested Windows 8 yet.
John
Windows 7 will be around for many years. I see no advantage at all in becoming a Windows 8 Beta tester, especially when it has very little to offer. Been listening to discussions about Windows 8 on several programs on the Twit.TV network for months, and there is no way I would put it on my desktop, or laptop for that matter. http://twit.tv/
Many people that have made the switch are regretting it. http://www.zdnet.com/even-windows-8-early-adopters-prefer-windows-7-by-two-to-one-7000004927/
Many people that have made the switch are regretting it. http://www.zdnet.com/even-windows-8-early-adopters-prefer-windows-7-by-two-to-one-7000004927/
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MBTafan2011
New member
Like everyone else said, it's not ment to run on Windows 8. You can only hope for a new patch, or just a new version.
Hmm, if it will run, trainz I mean, highly depends on what version of Windows 8 you've installed.
If you have an RT version older 32 and/or 64 bit software isn't supported anymore otherwise it should work if the correct drivers are in place.
Personaly it'll be a cold day in hell before I install W8, but hey, as said that's personal. :hehe:
Greetings from nighttime Amsterdam,
Jan
If you have an RT version older 32 and/or 64 bit software isn't supported anymore otherwise it should work if the correct drivers are in place.
Personaly it'll be a cold day in hell before I install W8, but hey, as said that's personal. :hehe:
Greetings from nighttime Amsterdam,
Jan
Yep, if you want your existing software to work, it's called reinstall Windows 7 and don't consider upgrading to a new OS until at least the first service pack has been released bugs are fixed all the drivers work properly and software developers have had sufficient time to use and adapt their software to work on it. N3V are not going to have a fix for an OS, that's 1 day old.
There are quite a few people that don't understand that Windows RT will not run windows programs, unless they are specifically created for RT. In order to run RT, you have to have an arm device for a processor and you can only get RT built into the device, you can't buy it.
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I hoping we get an update for TS12 one of these days, before 2013.
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
We will hopefully be getting one soon, especially as I've been getting at them over one of the major issues that's affected at least 3 versions of Trainz, with help from another Trainzer.
Shane
Shane
There are so many bugs in the default content like the couplers in Mojave Pass, the Bugs in the ECML runs, etc. It doesn't look good when you are currently selling a product with known bugs in it. If you can't fix the bugs, delete the routes prior to selling the product. I think doing that is preferable to driving people crazy wondering if they have a corrupt installation or a PC problem, when they first start using Trainz. Looking at the routes I have on my system, some payware, many freeware, and the default routes, I would say that 90% of the problems and bugs I see are in the default routes. That should not be.
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
I agree. That's why I'm hoping a patch will be made soon. Meanwhile, I've still got my TS12 bugs thread in the TS12 forum which I plan to send the address of to Helpdesk to assist them with the bug tracking.
Shane
Shane
Sort of why to avoid newer OS' until they have a few years under their belt, if to be accepted at all. None of these issues have the slightest bit to do with the OS. Excepting, of course, and only possibly, permission issues with the newer versions of Windows created a BIG problem for those users. Putting it another way, the problems running your software will get worse as you go through OS' with increasing bloat.
With respect to payware, most of the problems I had - not some, but most - are in the payware products - specifically, trying to get all dependencies.
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ianwoodmore
Active member
I have been running on WIN 8 for some time.
It runs on WIN8 64bit Consumer Preview
It runs on WIN8 64bit Release Preview
You can launch it from Win8 UI but I still prefer the WIN7 like Desktop.
I see no reason that it won't run on WIN8 public release and once I upgrade my C:\drives to dual Vertex4 256GB SSDs with RAID I will install WIN8 Pro.
In other words, if you are able to run TS12 in WIN7 then TS12 will run in WIN8.
Do ensure your firewall allows Trainz to communicate with Planet Auran
Preferably avoid running in Program files (x86) but it will.
If you instal elsewhere ensure that all Trainz executables are run as administrator.
You may have to also use Share on folders.
DX9 is not loaded with WIN8 and you may need to re-instal DX9. However, Trainz will tell you if it can't find it.
Note that the latest nVidia graphics drivers series 310 are placing DX9 graphics cards into legacy status. That is, no longer supported with upgrades or bug fixes. I haven't tried it yet but I believe the DX9 cards should still run OK.
OP does not say if he has done an EDR after install.
You do not say what you mean by "not working". Cant see Launcher, or can but can't Open Content Manager, or can't start a game.
Please more detail is necessary.
However, if you can see Launcher your most likely problem is that you haven't entered your USER ID and password or perhaps your TS12 product key in Options.
It runs on WIN8 64bit Consumer Preview
It runs on WIN8 64bit Release Preview
You can launch it from Win8 UI but I still prefer the WIN7 like Desktop.
I see no reason that it won't run on WIN8 public release and once I upgrade my C:\drives to dual Vertex4 256GB SSDs with RAID I will install WIN8 Pro.
In other words, if you are able to run TS12 in WIN7 then TS12 will run in WIN8.
Do ensure your firewall allows Trainz to communicate with Planet Auran
Preferably avoid running in Program files (x86) but it will.
If you instal elsewhere ensure that all Trainz executables are run as administrator.
You may have to also use Share on folders.
DX9 is not loaded with WIN8 and you may need to re-instal DX9. However, Trainz will tell you if it can't find it.
Note that the latest nVidia graphics drivers series 310 are placing DX9 graphics cards into legacy status. That is, no longer supported with upgrades or bug fixes. I haven't tried it yet but I believe the DX9 cards should still run OK.
OP does not say if he has done an EDR after install.
You do not say what you mean by "not working". Cant see Launcher, or can but can't Open Content Manager, or can't start a game.
Please more detail is necessary.
However, if you can see Launcher your most likely problem is that you haven't entered your USER ID and password or perhaps your TS12 product key in Options.
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Ian,
This is good to know. I agree the lack of details from the OP, but then again I haven't used the OS much either other than once to take a look at it, so I gave a pretty generic response to him.
It'll take time before Win8 is fully adjusted to the new environment. I'm sure in the coming months Microsoft will have a bunch of compatiblity patches come out just like they did with Windows 7 and still do periodically.
The problem with Windows 8 is that it's too different and people are shocked by it. It's a case of who moved my cheese! I have a feeling that third-party developers will make shell replacements to make the desktop mode permenant and the button interface optional, or vice versa for those that prefer that mode to operate.
At this point I may install the full-working version which I can get from TechNet and install it on my laptop for testing. This is so I can try applications on there rather than mucking up my own desktop which is a fresh install of Win7 at the moment. I've run it in a VM, but that's not the same as a full machine. For a complete install/refresh, I won't do this until there's at least a bunch of updates and the first service pack out. I've learned from the past on being an early adopter of things. 
I understand people saying there's no compelling reason to upgrade, and I do agree to a point. As a technician I will have to support this eventually particularly with the new BYOD policies that are encouraged by companies these days. It's usually the CEO that gets something like this, and guess what. He calls me to help him get everything to work.
John
This is good to know. I agree the lack of details from the OP, but then again I haven't used the OS much either other than once to take a look at it, so I gave a pretty generic response to him.
It'll take time before Win8 is fully adjusted to the new environment. I'm sure in the coming months Microsoft will have a bunch of compatiblity patches come out just like they did with Windows 7 and still do periodically.
The problem with Windows 8 is that it's too different and people are shocked by it. It's a case of who moved my cheese!
I have a feeling that third-party developers will make shell replacements to make the desktop mode permenant and the button interface optional, or vice versa for those that prefer that mode to operate.At this point I may install the full-working version which I can get from TechNet and install it on my laptop for testing.
This is so I can try applications on there rather than mucking up my own desktop which is a fresh install of Win7 at the moment. I've run it in a VM, but that's not the same as a full machine. For a complete install/refresh, I won't do this until there's at least a bunch of updates and the first service pack out. I've learned from the past on being an early adopter of things. I understand people saying there's no compelling reason to upgrade, and I do agree to a point. As a technician I will have to support this eventually particularly with the new BYOD policies that are encouraged by companies these days. It's usually the CEO that gets something like this, and guess what. He calls me to help him get everything to work.
John
I'm not so sure. Surprisingly, I find the interface less different than, say, the jump to Vista/Win7 versus XP. You can disable Metro, but you're still stuck with the retarded Vista/7 format. Unless there's something new out there.
I take it there's no "compatibility mode" option then? Every version of Win-doze since Win 98 has had a feature that lets you run a program in a mode compatible with earlier win-doze versions. The seventh son of Win-doze included the "Run as Administrator" option which caused frustration to many a new user. ("Why won't my programs run?")
I still have my set of 5 1/2 inch floppy disks (real floppies) of Windows 1.3 kicking around in the garage and my set of 3 1/2 inch floppies of Windows 3.0 and 3.1 and can't believe how far we have travelled in such a short time! Gosh! It was about 25 years ago I got my Olivetti pc and I remember being thrilled to bits when I upgraded to have a 10Mb hard drive and didn't have to feed floppies in to start programs any more!
Definitely look at whether or not Direct X 9 is installed - I would suggest a complete install anyway because it will automatcally skip any newer files you already have and only install anything that's not already there. It was the absence of DX9 that stopped Trainz working for me when I installed Windows 7.
I'm not going to say I won't be upgrading to Windows 8. I think, if we're interested in narrowing the gulf between mobile phones, tablets, laptops and desktop pc's, we have to bite the bullet at some point and move forwards. I'd prefer to let the guinea pigs, sorry beta-testers, iron out the major flaws first though! Based on previous experience, I think a new version of Windows for the great unwashed is really only suitable once "Service Pack 1" has been released.
I still have my set of 5 1/2 inch floppy disks (real floppies) of Windows 1.3 kicking around in the garage and my set of 3 1/2 inch floppies of Windows 3.0 and 3.1 and can't believe how far we have travelled in such a short time! Gosh! It was about 25 years ago I got my Olivetti pc and I remember being thrilled to bits when I upgraded to have a 10Mb hard drive and didn't have to feed floppies in to start programs any more!
Definitely look at whether or not Direct X 9 is installed - I would suggest a complete install anyway because it will automatcally skip any newer files you already have and only install anything that's not already there. It was the absence of DX9 that stopped Trainz working for me when I installed Windows 7.
I'm not going to say I won't be upgrading to Windows 8. I think, if we're interested in narrowing the gulf between mobile phones, tablets, laptops and desktop pc's, we have to bite the bullet at some point and move forwards. I'd prefer to let the guinea pigs, sorry beta-testers, iron out the major flaws first though! Based on previous experience, I think a new version of Windows for the great unwashed is really only suitable once "Service Pack 1" has been released.