To our Japanese members of the trainz community
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Perhaps not a meltdown, just some overheating of the reactor. but Japan's reactors are safe. They cannot contaminate all of the country in a blowout. There is no need to created further upheaval. let us instead send out thoughts and prayers to the impacted Japanese people.
The reactor is inside an effectively indestructible containment dome which would remain standing even if hit directly with a small nuclear weapon.
There is a distinct chance that they will lose the multi-billion dollar reactors, but other than that there is no danger to the public.
Now, that refinery down the coast that's on fire, that might just be a problem...
There is a distinct chance that they will lose the multi-billion dollar reactors, but other than that there is no danger to the public.
Now, that refinery down the coast that's on fire, that might just be a problem...
Red_Rattler
Since 09 May 2003
Trying to add a quote by Royayne, yet when I use the quote a reply to this post, a quote for Dinorius_Redunducus (DR) comes up. Don't know why, as I'm not quoting any posts that include posts from DR.
Can anyone confirm this? I have heard that the earthquake has now been upgraded to a 9. Doesn't sound much extra, but is.
Not really an issue, but can the journalists in the Murdoch press get it right. It's "Rim of Fire", not "Ring of Fire".
But several to believe this maybe an issue. Same press, heading shows "Nuclear plant explodes". No, it's an explosion at a nuclear plant.
I do wish media would not sensationalize.
Can anyone confirm this? I have heard that the earthquake has now been upgraded to a 9. Doesn't sound much extra, but is.
But Japan (& the world) has and will continue to have earthquakes of similar strength.This sudden rise in geological catastrophes seems a bit frightening.
Not really an issue, but can the journalists in the Murdoch press get it right. It's "Rim of Fire", not "Ring of Fire".
But several to believe this maybe an issue. Same press, heading shows "Nuclear plant explodes". No, it's an explosion at a nuclear plant.
I do wish media would not sensationalize.
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Red........
The USGS is still reporting as an 8.9.
If you get more info.... let us know.
Regards
UPDATE: I now see that Japanese officials are reporting it as 9.0.
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The quake was 9.0, the nuclear plant did explode, 22 people contracted radiation sickness and counting. Three nuclear powerplants in cooling failure. In Fukushima plants three reactors having a meltdown, 20 km evacuation zone. MOX fuel used in the reactors (really bad) The plant designed to withstand a M 7.9 maximum. Doesn't sound good at all.
The plant itself didn't explode, though there was a hydrogen explosion at the plant. It smashed up the containment building's exterior and caused a lot of cosmetic damage, however, there was no threat to the structural integrity of the containment dome.
There's still essentially nothing to worry about; this isn't some ancient graphite-moderated soviet reactor we're having problems with.
Blowing off the entire roof and upper half of the outer walls is not exactly cosmetic damage in my book. We simply don't know about the structural integrity of the containment dome because they aren't telling us anything about that issue. There is still plenty to worry about at the moment until we get some more definitive information.
I agree with gfisher, they stopped showing live footage from the plant. People get irradiated. And if my nuclear science is holding up Hydrogen and Cesium and Iodine are detected in the air when the reactor rods and their zirkonium casing react with air. So at least one reactor is exposed directly to the outside air. I would doubt that hydrogen and radioactive isotopes would just appear from nowhere in the turbine room if the containment isn't breeched. So it is breeched, and with that explosion goodbye control and containment. No way of stopping it, unless like in Ukraine people would sacrifice their lives to shut down the reactor permanetly in a casing of sand and boron. Time to count lives for the Japanese goverment.
In short, secondary containment has gone to crap: it's been blown to pieces, there is none of it left. Secondary containment never provided any radiation protection anyway.
The primary containment vessel is fine, though.
Probably the best explanation of the situation on the ground...
BBC News said it was 2 metres, I'm beginning to wonder whats fact and whats been blown out of proportion by the media, watching TV the UK news seemed to tell it as it is, then I would turn to some american news channel and they seem to exagerate the figures.
Anyway no matter what the statistics are any number of deaths are bad, be it from 40 people to 40 000, they are still humans who will be mourned by their families. My thoughts and feelings are with all those struggling Japanese families. I'm glad to live in a country where the climate is boring, and closest we get to a natural disaster is if we have a few inches of snow.
RooRocz if the reactor haven't been breached where oh where did we get the hydrogen from? And the radioisotopes? I believe the top lid visible on your illustration just blew right off and up, maybe not into space but it is probably laying around melted somewhere. To everyone listening to the calming news know that it might be too calming. Keep an eye out on your Geiger counter. Our Ukranian disaster showed the (lack of) willingness of governments to tell the truth in such emergencies.
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The hydrogen came from superheated steam that was deliberately vented from the cooling system to lower pressure inside reactor containment vessel, so as to prevent exactly what you just said: the cap being blown off.
Said steam was superheated, something like a few thousand degrees C, and separated from H2O into H2 and O2.
Then there was a spark and the reactor building had its roof blown off. However, the cap was (and is) still in place.
Of course, this steam had been in contact with the reactor core, and was irradiated with reasonably low-level radioisotopes (cesium, iodine, but absolutely no uranium, because the control rods are in place in the reactor and no uranium reactions are taking place). The isotopes in the radioactive steam have half-lives of around 3-4 months at most and have been blown out to sea.
The reactor is not exposed to the open air.
Of course, there are burning oil refineries on the coast which are releasing massive amounts of toxins into the atmosphere that will cause diseases and cancers in the country for years to come, but those aren't OMG ATOMS so no one cares.
Local woman recounts quake story
Saw this story on my local news site, a former local woman who now lives in Japan recounting her experience when the quake happened (and she was on a train too):
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/staten_islander_in_japan_relat.html
Same story on her blog site, currently the second one down with a link to her boyfriend's tale.
http://garrulousgaijin.wordpress.com/
- People practicing the, "Art of Covering One's Bum." (Since the favored American word is unacceptable, I'll try the British one.
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- The Paranoia/Conspiracy types.
- The news folk concerned with getting the story first for ratings.
- People claiming to be sources but don't have much to tell, take things in the wrong direction and want to remain anonymous in case they are wrong.
Fact and truth is less important despite the desire for it by many not in the news business.
Saw this story on my local news site, a former local woman who now lives in Japan recounting her experience when the quake happened (and she was on a train too):
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/staten_islander_in_japan_relat.html
Same story on her blog site, currently the second one down with a link to her boyfriend's tale.
http://garrulousgaijin.wordpress.com/
But of course because of several reasons. To name a few:
- People practicing the, "Art of Covering One's Bum." (Since the favored American word is unacceptable, I'll try the British one.
)- The Paranoia/Conspiracy types.
- The news folk concerned with getting the story first for ratings.
- People claiming to be sources but don't have much to tell, take things in the wrong direction and want to remain anonymous in case they are wrong.
Fact and truth is less important despite the desire for it by many not in the news business.
newblood42
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Prayer go out to all from my Family an I
My heart goes out to Japan also I am very upset about all the racist comments on YouTube I can't believe no one does anything about there is too many racist comments on YouTube if people said the same things on here they will get banned for life.
I just feel ashamed that my fellow westerners are soo racist.
I wish something should be done about it. I have no Japanese friends but still the racist comments are appalling also it is abusing freedom of speech.
If I could remember my password for YouTube I would say something on there.
Does anyone feel the same way?
Anyway all my love for the people of Japan.
Ian
I just feel ashamed that my fellow westerners are soo racist.
I wish something should be done about it. I have no Japanese friends but still the racist comments are appalling also it is abusing freedom of speech.
If I could remember my password for YouTube I would say something on there.
Does anyone feel the same way?
Anyway all my love for the people of Japan.
Ian
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