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This Sucks
- Thread starter Kris94
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You have a new job, Kris?
Save up your bucks and buy a better card. You need to ensure that your motherboard and power supply can handle the newer cards.
What kind of computer do yo have? Did you buy it all made for you, or was it from parts like a kit?
What are the specs on your system (what the different parts you have, such as the wattage on your power supply, motherboard, etc.)
This will help us help you with your computer.
John
Save up your bucks and buy a better card. You need to ensure that your motherboard and power supply can handle the newer cards.
What kind of computer do yo have? Did you buy it all made for you, or was it from parts like a kit?
What are the specs on your system (what the different parts you have, such as the wattage on your power supply, motherboard, etc.)
This will help us help you with your computer.
John
2GB of RAM is a bit on the weak side by today's standards. This can also make a machine run slowly. You might be able to upgrade the RAM to at least 4GB. This will give you 3072 to work with. (There's overhead to account for so you don't see al 4GB).
Check and see if there are any upgrades available for your system like a power supply before replacing any components. The problem with Dell's and other systems like this is their case size and their power supplies. Sometimes the manufacturers have special sized components to fit into the computer cases, therefore you can't just go to a store like MicroCentre or Fry's and pick-up a video card and power supply.
John
Check and see if there are any upgrades available for your system like a power supply before replacing any components. The problem with Dell's and other systems like this is their case size and their power supplies. Sometimes the manufacturers have special sized components to fit into the computer cases, therefore you can't just go to a store like MicroCentre or Fry's and pick-up a video card and power supply.
John
Memory is not the problem. Auran says a 7200 card is the minimum and recommends an 8800 and a 3.4 GHz Pentium processor. You have a 6150 and 2.6 Ghz AMD. To use it with TS 12, keep the Auran specs in mind when you upgrade. (2 gb ram is fine, stated as the recommended memory capacity).
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Memory is not the problem. Auran says a 7200 card is the minimum and recommends an 8800 and a 3.4 GHz Pentium processor. You have a 6150 and 2.6 Ghz AMD. To use it with TS 12, keeping the Auran specs in mind. (2 gb ram is fine).
You don't want to be on the minimum side of hardware for any program you run, even a game. Having more than the minimum will always give you breathing room for future growth, and ensure that what you have now will be more than adequate for the current versions of the programs. The thing is running the program at close to the minimum specs will cause frustration because that extra space isn't there for the program to work the best it should. The other thing too is you need to have enough memory (RAM, not hard drive) to allow the program to run and not constantly thrash the hard drive because the operating system is running in the background. With Trainz this causes a lot of stuttering with the OS constantly swapping data to page files and temp files.
I say this as an IT professional that has worked in the computer industry for over 30 years, and in various aspects including manufacturing and computer operations. Companies even do this with their servers as well. They allow room for programs as well as the O/S to coexist without stomping on each other.
The NVidia 7200, by the way, was one of the worst cards they ever produced. I had one and it fried itself within a year, or just when the warranty went out. The system as Kris specs out now is great except for the 2 GB. If anything at a minimum, I'd bring that up to 4GB, but with the newer 64-bit OSs such as Windows 7, I'd go up to 8GB which seems to be the new minimum by today's standards.
John
You don't want to be on the minimum side of hardware for any program you run
John I wasn't suggesting he upgrade to the minimum, I was just pointing out the minimum Auran specs for a comparison to his current specs for perspective.
John I wasn't suggesting he upgrade to the minimum, I was just pointing out the minimum Auran specs for a comparison to his current specs for perspective.
I understand that. Remember the specs quoted are the minimum even for today's standards. Even the ancient lousy desktops we have at work were upgraded to 4GBs last year. There's nothing worse than a hard drive constantly rattling away with the mouse stuttering even while opening up MS Office applications such as Excel and PowerPoint.
I can't imagine trying to muscle around a graphics and system-intensive program with a minimum amount of RAM, besides RAM is really inexpensive today. I've seen 4GB's worth going for about $30 per DIMM. This is a farcry from what I paid years ago to get 1MB in a system!
John
Not all of these guys are working professionals like you and I, they may be on allowance, paper route, in college, or just starting out, so the minimum config is an "Item" to reconcile. Otherwise, sounds like some pent up frustration from the past is venting... Feel free to use this board therapeutically.
Not all of these guys are working professionals like you and I, they may be on allowance, paper route, in college, or just starting out, so the minimum config is an "Item" to reconcile. Otherwise, sounds like some pent up frustration from the past is venting... Feel free to use this board therapeutically.
Very true, Deneban. Venting is a good way to let the steam out. (pun intended!).
John
TramDU1214
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A new PC might help you.
Give me a budget and I'll give you a build, that will help...
If you don't know how or are a little afraid of building,
this video will help you.
Here is a decent build for about 600 $: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7JJh
And here is one for about 1000$: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7N82
Give me a budget and I'll give you a build, that will help...
If you don't know how or are a little afraid of building,
Here is a decent build for about 600 $: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7JJh
And here is one for about 1000$: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7N82
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Give me a budget and I'll give you a build, that will help...
If you don't know how or are a little afraid of building,
Auran recommends NVidia cards for TS12. Do you know the MSI and Radeon cards in this video will work with TS12?
Auran recommends NVidia cards for TS12. Do you know the MSI and Radeon cards in this video will work with TS12?
I didn't look at the video, but any card should work with Trainz regardless of chipset or manufacturer. It's just that OpenGL historically has been better-supported on nVidia.
I didn't look at the video, but any card should work with Trainz regardless of chipset or manufacturer. It's just that OpenGL historically has been better-supported on nVidia.
This thread was started because a graphic card is not working w/TS12 (albeit even an NVidia). Should work and does work are different - aka are you going to bet your purchasing money on it. If this gentleman (TramDU1214) is going to recommend a system to Kris94, and not stick to Auran's specs, he should at least speak to the gpu compatibility of his recommendation w/TS12. I have had to change gpu manufacturers because TS12 would not work with a Radeon card. Kris94 has the recommended manufacturer, the performance being the title of this thread "it sucks." "Any card" doesn't always work ("but should!").
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This thread was started because a graphic card is not working w/TS12 (albeit even an NVidia). Should work and does work are different - aka are you going to bet your purchasing money on it. If this gentleman (TramDU1214) is going to recommend a system to Kris94, and not stick to Auran's specs, he should at least speak to the gpu compatibility of his recommendation w/TS12. I have had to change gpu manufacturers because TS12 would not work with a Radeon card. Kris94 has the recommended manufacturer, the performance being the title of this thread "it sucks." "Any card" doesn't always work ("but should!").
Ok, then which cards DON'T work with Trainz?
People here use all kinds of cards with no problem. What card(s) do you know for a fact "didn't work"*? You already know of one through personal experience Please also list driver version, DirectX version, and whether running Trainz in OpenGL or DirectX, as that can and often has been an issue as well. We can create a list of cards that are known not to work with Trainz regardless of driver/DX version so people don't make this mistake again.
*That include cards that ran like slugs but should have run fine.
**We already know integrated graphics like kris' already don't run Trainz properly.
Ok, then which cards DON'T work with Trainz?
This forum has several examples. Therefore
does not ring true. The point is if someone pops onto a TS12 thread and says "you can build this system" it is only appropriate to state its TS12 performance....but any card should work with Trainz regardless of chipset or manufacturer
This forum has several examples. Therefore
does not ring true. The point is if someone pops onto a TS12 thread and says "you can build this system" it is only appropriate to state its TS12 performance.
Examples, please? If you can point to threads even with just the card chipset, that may even be good enough. I'll make up the list myself.
Integrated graphics or cards that are below minimum-spec can be excluded, of course, such as the OPs 6150SE.
TramDU1214
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If TS 2012 works better with Nvidia GPUs, here is a build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8hjn
Nvidia GPUs do usually have better drivers than AMD ones.
If you want to keep your PC, you should upgrade the GPU (It is old and outdated) and the PSU (original one won't be powerfull enough)
Nvidia GPUs do usually have better drivers than AMD ones.
If you want to keep your PC, you should upgrade the GPU (It is old and outdated) and the PSU (original one won't be powerfull enough)
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Examples, please? If you can point to threads even with just the card chipset, that may even be good enough. I'll make up the list myself.
Integrated graphics or cards that are below minimum-spec can be excluded, of course, such as the OPs 6150SE.
You should probably start another thread for this and work through the forum for examples. My personally-experienced example is a Radeon X800 did not run TS12 in DirectX nor OpenGL.
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