This is sad, and kind of personal, UP rail bridge collapse:

Union Pacific officials have said preliminary findings have ruled out the bridge collapse as the cause of the derailment, noting the bridge was not designed to carry the load of 28 derailed coal cars at one time. <---What exactly does that statement mean) ?

The suing family attorney also noted: a derailment happened at the same spot in 2009.
 
Union Pacific officials have said preliminary findings have ruled out the bridge collapse as the cause of the derailment, noting the bridge was not designed to carry the load of 28 derailed coal cars at one time. <---What exactly does that statement mean) ?

The suing family attorney also noted: a derailment happened at the same spot in 2009.
It means that the derailment caused the bridge collapse.
 
First my condolences to the family.


It means that the derailment caused the bridge collapse.
I respectful disagree with this statement.

Union Pacific officials have said preliminary findings have ruled out the bridge collapse as the cause of the derailment
How could they have preliminary finding when they have not even gotten the debris off of the site?

noting the bridge was not designed to carry the load of 28 derailed coal cars at one time.

As was stated before this does not make sense. The bridge is not long enough to support all 28 loaded cars "at one time"

I would never disagree with the family in there beliefs about what caused the crash, But
Spokesman Mark Davis said Thursday that one possible cause could have been the extreme heat causing the steel rails to expand, leading to a derailment.LaMonica said he doesn’t buy that argument.“We refuse to accept the fact that it was hot outside, so a train can come flying off the tracks and kill somebody,” LaMonica said. “I don’t care how hot it was, trains aren’t supposed to fly off the tracks and crush innocent people.”

It is a proven fact that heat can cause a train to crash. http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2002/2002-07-31-amtrak.htm
The difference is that the Amtrak train was not over a bridge.
Kenny
 
During the time period of the heat wave here Metra warned it's customers that the trains would be running slower because of the possibilty of heat damge to the tracks. It was all over radio and TV, I don't think anyone could have missed it.
 
Wow. The UP getting in trouble? Again?! How can they allow this to happen twice. One time is enough, but two is unacceptable. And I don't buy the heat crap either. Slow the trains down, halt them if need be. And keep extra crews to be on the look out. The price for preventive management is nothing compared to repair management and then dealing with lawsuits and by the article, could take months to clean the mess up.
 
As was stated before this does not make sense. The bridge is not long enough to support all 28 loaded cars "at one time"


Kenny
What I am meaning here is that after the train derailed, 28 loaded coal cars piled up on the bridge and caused it to collapse.
 
(In regards to "smash".) Boyerm25 is correct, the cars piled up, causing 28 cars to be veterical on the bridge, then the bridge came down because of the tremendous weight.

My regards go to the family also.
 
News reporters are often wrong, and uneducated, making obtuse lamebrained statements like: "The fire started in a toxic "Exhaust" factory (later clarified the company made automotive exhaust pipes) There is no telling what type of Toxic Exhaust is billowing out" ! :o

I have never seen: "28 cars to be veterical on the bridge". Which defies gravity ... Most likely the whole she-bang accordianed, climb overed, jacknifed, in a instantainious high speed zig-zag derailment, and took the whole bridge along with it, in split second ... coal, wheelsets, and twisted cars, spread out, all over creation.
 
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There are a few pictures of the accident on Train Orders forum and I have to agree with a few others here. The cars were crushed on top of one another on the bridge and the combined weight collapsed the bridge. At least that is how it appears.
 
Whether the bridge was inspectable and safe for everyday train traffic might never be known ... As the bridge was totaly destroyed in the calamity of the impact of 28 railcars derailing at high speed, on possibly warped track (sun kinking).


There were crossovers and several turnouts on the one side of the bridge, which also may have caused a wheel to pick a switch, and derail, causing a unstoppable chain reaction derailment.


I very much doubt that in the seconds right after the derailment, that the bridge was still standing, holding up the 28 derailed railcars, then collapsed ... As most probably in the nano-seconds after the first wheel derailed, the safe/unsafe bridge was ripped to shreads by the impact of 28 railcars violently accordianing together.

No bridge whether it was safe or not ... could withstand that impact of millions of tons of derailing loaded railcars.

I don't think the bridge collaped at all by the weight of a passing train ... for the intact safe bridge was surely torn to smitherines by the crushing aftermath of a catastropic derailment.

And too ... unsafe train braking, and rapid draft gear run in could have caused the train to derail just prior the safe bridge, or to derail directly on top of the safe bridge.

Alot of evidence is now burried under millions of tons of temporary track gravel reinforcment ballast support.

How is it ever going to be proven that it was the fault of the "Poor" bridge ? Violent derailments occur everywhere, as many as 90 per day, everyday, 365 days per year, in the US (most of them minor unreportable derailments, to some more rare major reportable derailments).

None the less, UP will be paying for the wrongful deaths in the lawsuit, as it was their train, their RR, and their bridge.

The members of the traincrew are most likely fired on the spot, and blackballed from railroad re-employment ... and could be charged with involutary manslaughter ... just like any other vehicle driver can be charged, and or sentenced to prison/probation.
 
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According to reports; the site has been cleaned up now. It will be interesting to see if the results of any investigation are ever reported.
 
Hi Ed and everybody.
Thanks for the update Ed and without doubt the investigation reports will come out in due time. With any luck the police/transportation authorities may produce a primary cause report within a few weeks. However, the root cause investigation will probably take many months before their findings are known. It will be the insurance companies involved that will be behind the route cause investigation and without doubt they will ensure that every aspect of the incident is thoroughly looked into.

In the meantime let our thoughts be with the families and loved ones of those that lost their lives in the accident. There is no "tragic glory" as some on this forum seem to always look for in these circumstances, seemingly forgetting the people that have been killed and maimed in the accident and and those are left grieving with their futures changed for the remainder of their lives.

Whoever they are, wherever they are may they find justice and eventual peace from the enquiries taking place, and may their God go with them.

Bill
 
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