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Not in the UK, we used 'Tie-Plates' (known as 'Fish-Plates' on this side of the pond), your belief is incorrect
Vern
This is an N3V branded item. Zec posted this early in this thread.
If it had been a new creators first attempt at a track, I would not have posted any comments. I would have PM'd the originator.
PeterPM
Not according to these images:I believe that nowhere in the world would three foot lines have used tie-plates, they would have spiked the rail straight onto the tie.
In the early narrow gauge days, the rail was spiked directly to the ties, not a very efficient process requiring frequent attention which is why Tie Plates were adopted.
Peter
This is what you said: "I believe that nowhere in the world would three foot lines have used tie-plates, they would have spiked the rail straight onto the tie." It appears that you now want to qualify this with "before <some unspecified date>" and "where they were using rail less than <some unspecified weight>" and "only in <some unspecified> locations". If you have any more similar qualifications you ought to spell them out now. But, as stated, it is demonstrably not the case. I don't know why you assume that the track you are using was designed for the stringent conditions you are now specifying, rather than for one of the actual examples that have been posted here.Look at your image, you will notice that the rail is secured by square headed screws holding the rail down by flange clips. Again a more modern style and not pertinent to the discussion. The rail also looks to be much heavier than that used on the early railroads. Note that- "early Railroads'' Dig back into the early days of American transportation and you will find evidence of rough wooden ties and spikes.
which is why Tie Plates were adopted.
Blackwatch
You have to understand that narrow gauge systems developed because only 4 components per tie were needed and they were ones that a competent blacksmith could produce. Couple that with light rail and sparse or no ballast and you have low capital investment. Add to that the fact that narrow gauge rolling stock can handle tighter curves and you will have what is normally referred to in US context as narrow gauge where, I believe, many light rail lines were developed for both passenger and freight haulage.
PeterPM
Uh? Did you actually look at that page? I gave the latitude and longitude so you could access it in Google Earth, the page clearly states the location as "MOD Munitions depot at Eastriggs near Gretna Green" and the rail as "25 miles of 2ft 35lb per yard narrow gauge railway line" and "Installed between 1990-2007". I don't know how much more specific it is possible to be.SailorDan, I noticed that you didn't specify the location and date of your offering either, just as the same data was omitted from the previous image. Seems though we are all at fault.
"25 miles of 2ft 35lb per yard narrow gauge railway line" and "Installed between 1990-2007"
the British were laying such tracks back in 1914 -18, it was how we got supplies across the battlefields of Flanders & the Somme.
That's correct, because I was not commenting on the broader matter of historic narrow gauge railways. I was commenting on your statement "I believe that nowhere in the world would three foot lines have used tie-plates" and the presumption that the track that you are criticizing ought to have been built on that incorrect belief. The actual situation is that there is variety in narrow gauge track, and the one you are using is a modern variety.This in no way related to the broader matter of historic narrow gauge railways.
Couldn't resist editing this in.
Blackwatch.
You said this
"I understand the above very well, the British were laying such tracks back in 1914 -18, it was how we got supplies across the battlefields of Flanders & the Somme."
So were the French and the Americans and I doubt that there was a tie plate anywhere. What is the point of your comment.
This discussion is becoming a silly waste of time, I suggest we stop it right here.
Peter