On eof the problems of TC3 is, John, that Auran decided that testing was not of great importance and therefore decided to "limit" the availability of testing resources. Everybody understands that a new program will have bugs and that it will take time to fix them, but this time Auran decided to release a product when they already knew it wasn't tested properly and only after its release made a one-line statement about it. That is bad business in my opinion.
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johnwhelan
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I disagree, it's based on the well tested TC code so there are a lot of bugs in TC which were corrected and has many fewer undocumented system features than say TRS2004. There is always a decision to be made do you wait for the perfect product or carry on another cycle of testing no matter what the project is. TC3 has been about two years in the making and I think it has delivered some reasonable improvements at a reasonable cost. Have you tried applying the brakes to a train with Paul Hobbs new 12 ton van? This is certainly a product improvement that I welcome.
As a customer I want to see a product with improvements in it, yes some things aren't perfect but considering the resources available and the time frame available I think they did a very fair job with the possible exception of the upgrade instructions for people who own TC1/2. I'm not aware of any problems with TC3 that impact the way I use it. Perhaps you could remind me of one that means it is unuseable?
For comparison I offer you a company called Oracle a database company who created a new improved version I think it was called 8.1. Now this is a company that Amazon and many other companies run their mission critical databases on, so if a database is down we are talking a substantial amount of money per minute. Around 30% of those who upgraded to this version crashed their databases. Now that is releasing software that could possibly have been tested a little more thoroughly than it was.
For a Train SIM the costs are not as high if it doesn't work perfectly, this should be a hobby and Trainz does have a tradition of work arounds etc. available in the forums.
I think Auran are aware of the cost of testing and not testing software and by building in on TC they were able to reuse a lot of fairly solid code. This is good it means on the graph you an expect far fewer problems and errors.
Cheerio John
Quiebus....what proof or documentation do you have to support the above assumptions about Auran and TC3?
If you can not prove or document your assumptions...please, with all respect...stop making them.
Thanks.... and sitting here, waiting for your documentation to show up.
Does that apply to software controlling the world's nuclear arsenal?
We are all going to die!:'(
Goodbye:hehe:
Yep I can. Head over to the trainzdev site and read Tony Hilliam's blog entries.
Hi.
and I don't want to forget it ether because the only way to go forward is to look backward.
Before I left I was not really listening to people's replys and I was rood as in not saying "thanks".
and because of that I was loosing friends. and they where using destructive criticism on me.
But ever sense I came back I think that I have changed as in I've learnt in putting more windows so that I can remind myself what I'm replying about so I don't go off-topic and I now think that I should use the destructive criticism as the way forward instead of a reason to leave the forums.
But as you can see there's still a little improvement to be done.
and now I'm trying to regain what I've lost.
So I agree with seeseeme in this post.
I remember when I left the forums.
and I don't want to forget it ether because the only way to go forward is to look backward.
Before I left I was not really listening to people's replys and I was rood as in not saying "thanks".
and because of that I was loosing friends. and they where using destructive criticism on me.
But ever sense I came back I think that I have changed as in I've learnt in putting more windows so that I can remind myself what I'm replying about so I don't go off-topic and I now think that I should use the destructive criticism as the way forward instead of a reason to leave the forums.
But as you can see there's still a little improvement to be done.
and now I'm trying to regain what I've lost.
So I agree with seeseeme in this post.
leave for a while and if you still had your old posts (I found out in this post.As StorkNest said, take a rest and come back, I know I did once for 6 months.
Take care,
Craig
) I would say look at and learn from them.
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Are you people just lazy or does your mother still has to take you by the hand everytime when you have to cross the street? I said Tony Hilliam's blog entries. He has written only 5 of them so that shouldn't be too difficult to find; besides they are meant to be read ... so start reading them! Tony Hilliam: "I'm just about to board the flight back home and review the progress of the team over the past week and to look into Trainz Classics problems. Regarding any comparison between that release and future releases, let me assure you that we will be appyling a lot more resources to 2009 testing than we did with TC3." source: http://www.trainzdev.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=84&Itemid=2
It's not really about being too lazy read the blogs....it's trying to figure out where you get your assumptions after we read them....you apparently didn't "get" that...ask your mother, she'll explain it to you...again...
johnwhelan
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Sorry but that does not mean that TC3 product was not tested at least as far as the norms in the software business goes. What was badly handled was the installation over TC1/2 which is fairly time consuming to test.
TRS2009 will be a phased release which means the first phase will be a volume test besides it other purpose and the later release will be the general release one, which is a good way to go.
Cheerio John
johnwhelan
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Does that apply to software controlling the world's nuclear arsenal?
We are all going to die!:'(
Goodbye:hehe:
I hate to say it but yes. Normally for that sort of software you make it default to a safe condition if it fails and it isn't nearly as complex as TC3.
Cheerio John
It's not really about being too lazy read the blogs....it's trying to figure out where you get your assumptions after we read them....you apparently didn't "get" that...ask your mother, she'll explain it to you...again...
Are you always this sour dough? If you aren't too lazy to read the blogs, or if you are actually paying attention to what you read you wouldn't need to ask me what the source of my fact and not assumption was. I had not problem understanding that people wanted to know the source. For me it was a simple way to get an insult or two in my message. BTW ... my mother is dead.
btw, testing does not fix bugs... .
If their is a bunch full of them, it does not mean, there has been no testing... .
A lot of software products are shipped with dozends of known bugs. It depends on the quality of the company if this bugs are just minor problems or showstoppers... .
If their is a bunch full of them, it does not mean, there has been no testing... .
A lot of software products are shipped with dozends of known bugs. It depends on the quality of the company if this bugs are just minor problems or showstoppers... .
bernhart_lossiemouth
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OOOOOOOHHHHHHH. Now thats one you can't argue against. A bit like pulling out the racist card. No way. Quick, where's Euphod, we need him now.. EUPHOD!!!!!!!!
The phodder side of Bernie :wave:
I can't help but imagine immediately after posting that she stirred, and he had to finish the job; "Well....NOW she is!"
Okay, okay....that was uncalled for; apologies all around. I don't condone murder; I UNDERSTAND IT; but I don't condone it!
Now please Bernie, turn off the Phod signal...I was in the Phod Cave trying to take a nap!
I can't help but imagine immediately after posting that she stirred, and he had to finish the job; "Well....NOW she is!"
Okay, okay....that was uncalled for; apologies all around. I don't condone murder; I UNDERSTAND IT; but I don't condone it!
Now please Bernie, turn off the Phod signal...I was in the Phod Cave trying to take a nap!
Ed..... are you making the popcorn. This thread is going to need a lot of popcorn.
Have fun,
bernhart_lossiemouth
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Hi FIVE! Parteners in crime. Boo-yaka-sha!
Signal dimmed, to save energy, but not swiched off.
Bern
Signal dimmed, to save energy, but not swiched off.
Bern
I have seen a few threads and wondered where Ed was with his popcorn. I hope the chair is comfortable :hehe:
Jiffy Pop....and I cook it right on my PC.....
Just had to say this before the thread gets locked.
Craig
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