The D&RGW narrow gauge (again )

bigboydude

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Okay, it seems many have done parts of the D&RGW narrow gauge. Now this is a HUGE undertaking, but I'd love to make the whole route from Alamosa to Durango, with Silverton Branch and possibly Farmington too. I know you can build based off of the C&TS (thank god for Google earth) and the D&SNGRR, but what can you use for reference to the rest of the route? Any help and/or leads is appreciated. And if anyone is interested in the build, let me know. Would be more than happy to post updates for you. (Not made it far, just built Chama yard and just to the 1st Highway 17 crossing north of town lol)
 
I would look up historical society websites about the D&RGW or try obtaining a few books about the D&RGW NG system (there are a lot of good ones out there). :)
 
Get yourself a copy of TransDEM, which will get the DEM data and convert that to a Trainz route. You can then start laying track and putting things together.

This process sounds easy and for the most part it is. The issue will be time. You will need to research the area in detail, or at least enough to be able to get a gist of what you can do with the little information you have available. This information can now only be garnered from historical societies and museums since any trainmen and company folk have since moved on to the big D&RGW in the sky.

Yes, I did mention time. This will be the biggest killer of the route building, which will lead to frustration, burn-out, and eventually project death.

How do I know this?

I am currently involved in a museum project for the Hoosac Tunnel with another Trainz user. He's done the bulk of the work, though I have contributed quite a bit myself. We are lucky in some respects with this project because we have a currently working railroad, a museum and local historical society that's contributing lots and lots of information, and the VP of the B&M historical society right there assisting us with information and vetting our project as we go step-by-step to the ever increasing complexity.

Time...

We started this three years ago this coming November. The East Portal and HT&W wye area are nearly complete, but the catenary needs to be built. Yes, the custom-design stringers and poles need to be modeled along with stations, tunnel portals, and many, many other things as well.

Then there's the West Portal and North Adams... We started this once and are now redoing it again. There are many, many things that need work on this side due to the grades in the yard, custom buildings, an odd bridge, two railroads, an a now non-existent huge passenger station which was removed in the 1960s.

This coming April or May, we will be heading west again to take more pictures, talk to locals, and visit around so we can get a better handle on the things we've missed. To complicate matters, there's a museum show coming in in June that we've been invited to, to showcase our route progress!

So not to discourage you, you can see why some routes are only small segments of a much larger one. If you really want to try such an undertaking, and there's no one here to stop you, think hard first before you dive in. TransDEM, though is not a waste of money. :)

John
 
I think the D&S and/or the C&T routes already exist. If you could make the part that used to connect the two (from Chama to Durango) that would be fantastic. Then add the branch west of Chama to Pagosa Springs. If you make the end baseboards so they match the terrain height and track placement of the C&T and D&S routes it should be possible to merge all three into the complete route from Antonito to Silverton. Chama to Durango looks to be about 112 miles according to a time table in A Ticket To Ride The Narrow Gauge by Herbert Danneman.

Be a job-and-a-half but I'm here to make bridges if needed (assuming I live long enough):hehe:.

Ben
 
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Thank you guys. And I've seen a version of C&TS (although it was on 2012). And JCitron I have definitely thought about it. I've got a couple under my belt that were big undertakings, one being huge... and a flop. The second one was cool (it was a freelance NG), but I've been doing more practicing and more studying, and it just wasn't what I wanted. I've been thinking about it for a while, I want to do it. I'm thinking the payoff will be OUTSTANDING! And I appreciate your input. I know you're not trying to discourage. I really appreciate it. Thank you. And Mr. BenDorsey, I'm glad you offered :) haha I was just thinking about bridges today. I will have to give you a shout real soon (it's going to be a long process, I'm finishing senior year of high school, so it will be slow). And thanks for the lead Matt (didn't forget about you ;), just typing as I think lol). I appreciate. I've found one or two sites. I need to get some books too. Hmm haha. Thank you for the help. I'll have more questions and updates to come, so bare with me.
 
From what I know, one can still see a vast majority of the abandon grade from satellite imagery. The grade heading west follows US64 to Dulce. From Dulce it is County Road J44 till it hits Road 151 near Arboles. From this point on, it takes a skilled eye to see the road bed underneath all of the farm fields and urban development.

Here is a link with the Sat Imagery with a map drawn on it.

http://www.drgw.net/info/SanJuanExtensionMap

I've been contemplating doing a route along the lines of this scale. I have several books and reference materials on this as well.

The main thing when it comes to a project like this is time. I have a route that I've been working on that is based off of the D&RGW systems, and it has been several years now!

I personally would like to see the Salida-Montrose-Gunnison-Alamosa routes done as well. This was the original line that I do not see model that much. I guess its mostly due to the dam in the black canyon...
 
That'd be sweet too! Might look into it. I went to Gunnison a couple years ago (didn't know much about the D&RGW) wish I would've paid more attention! I think I can recall where the old track had been (do hold me to it though, I'll have to look). I'm thinking late 30's-early 40's, so I can use my beloved K-36's. They operated that-a-way then didn't they? Or was it standard gauged or abandoned by then? And thanks for the link! I'll have to check that out!
 
Back when Prowler901 was still active he was working on the entire line of the Rio Grande Southern and was making good progress on it but sadly he never finished it.
 
The RGS from Durango to Ridgeway would be great addition. Most of the rolling stock either already exists or is easily re-skinned from D&RGW equipment.

Another idea might be to re-create the three Mears short lines out of Silverton. The Silverton Railroad, The Silverton Northern, and The Silverton, Gladstone, & Northerly. There is a map, some info, and some photos in Narrow Gauge in The Rockies by Beebe & Clegg.

Think about it gents - all of these could eventually be merged if done correctly at the ends.

Ben
 
I read that! What happened to him?? And I was thinking about it Mr. Dorsey. I'll have to look into it and see how the D&RGW goes. I figure that'll take a while, so we'll see if I'm about ready to throw it all out the window first lol! Jk
 
While I think the RGS would be awesome, its physical plant was most certainly not the best in the late 40's. If I'm correct the Monarch Branch was NG until 1958? Which means you'd have narrow gauge to Salida until then. I think the best period would probably be 1952-'55. When did the Gas boom hit Farmington? That's what kept the narrow gauge alive.
 
Somewhere between 1952-1955. I'll be honest, a good site to look into is lifewastedchasingtrains.com . He's got old pics of the San Juan Extension in the 60's and he talks about it a bit. It was actually my inspiration for this project (that and D&RGW Narrow Gauge is just so cool haha)
 
Mr. Dorsey? Who's that? Please call me Ben.:hehe:

Another idea might be the Uintah RR. It was around 50 miles long from Mack on the D&RGW to Watson in Utah. The 2-6-6-2T has already been made and I made one of the shorty cabooses some years ago. They also had a shay, a 2-8-0, and a 0-6-0T that I know of. What might make it really interesting is that it had 7.5% grades and 66 degree curves (those are not typos). A 66 degrees curve is sharper then 18 inch radius in HO. Gadzooks - there is a prototype for everything. Again some info and photos are also available in Narrow Gauge in the Rockies by Beebe & Clegg.

Ben
 
Sorry Ben haha. I won't call you that X'D
And I saw that 2-6-6-2! Weird but really cool. I'd see why they needed it for 66 degree curves and 7.5% grade. Yikes!
 
There were 2 of them and they went to the Sumpter Valley RR in Oregon where they were converted from tank locos to tender locos. Later they went to Guatemala. The book I have says they are still in service but the book came out in 1958 so I'd take that with a large grain of salt.

The Sumpter Valley versions are not available tho I don't think it would be too difficult to make the conversion if you had the original mesh.

Ben
 
I hadn't looked at that book (Narrow Gauge in the Rockies) in some time. Was going thru it again and came up with two other possibilities:

1. Denver South Park & Pacific (DSP&P). The rarest items have already been made by Togog and are on the DLS (the 2-6-6T and 2-8-6T Mason Bogey locos). I seem to remember seeing a few freight cars as well. This would be a big route however since it went from Downtown Denver to Leadville. Supposedly around 150 miles. Not that far apart as the crow flies but railroads in the Rockies rarely went in straight lines.

2. Florence & Cripple Creek (FCC). This looks to be between 25 and 30 miles in length and includes a loop. Might be a good "starter" route for an aspiring route builder.

Ben
 
Heck yah! Sounds great (and sorry admins for posting in the wrong spot. I'm still learning. I'll get it I promise!) Now you were talking about merging routes earlier? How do you do that?
 
I haven't the slightest idea. Haven't even made a route in close to 10 years. However - I'm certain there are folks who would be more then happy to explain the process.

Ben
 
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