Skipton to Leeds

[itareus]

Has anybody created, or maybe currently working on, the route from Skipton to Leeds via either Keighley or Ilkley ?

 

[fran1]

Yorks+lancs by kimmy.

 

[itareus]

Yorks+lancs by kimmy.

Thanks fran1 .. I'm away from my Trainz Pc for a while so I can't check it out at the moment. Do you have any idea if the route by Kimmy is DEM based (i.e. is reasonably accurate in terms of elevation etc.) and also is it based on the current prototype or an earlier period.

Cheers

Chris

Chris

 

[itareus]

Yorks+lancs by kimmy.

Thanks fran1 .. I'm away from my Trainz Pc for a while so I can't check it out at the moment. Do you have any idea if the route by Kimmy is DEM based (i.e. is reasonably accurate in terms of elevation etc.) and also is it based on the current prototype or an earlier period.

Cheers

Chris

 

[fran1]

It's an update of his Airdale route, also includes colne-skipton. DEM based and era I've no idea.

 

[itareus]

Thanks again Fran1.

Chris

 

[45581fred]

Hi
I downloaded this with the idea of adding it to TC3
It is essentially a 1990's or later i.e. "rationalised" layout.
The DEM looks pretty accurate to me.

 

[itareus]

I thought I would check out the Trainz route against some of the data I have. I picked on the Skipton - Leeds section as I know this well (I used to live near the line at Connonley and travelled frequently).

My conclusion is that whilst the existing Trainz route is good in its own right, it's not as far as I can seen an accurate representation of the terrain.

The prototype is in cuttings or on embankments and viaducts, albeit not very spectacular ones, for a fair part of the way and it also rises steadily from Leeds towards Skipton. OS data shows the line as approx 25 metres above sea level at Leeds and about 100m at Skipton. In addition to the OS data I have created a DEM, using Transdem, of the Leeds to Shipley section of the route and this bears out what I am saying. The current Trainz route has a ground elevation level of zero at both ends of the route and the track gradients are also showing 0.

Merging the existing route with the Trainz S&C might be "interesting" as the Skipton end of that route has a ground elevation of approx 95m.

If anybody is interested in the prototype route (Leeds to Shipley section) they might like to look here:

http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page20.htm

 

[pdwood]

Hei - nice link to http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page20.htm .

I remember much of this and as a train spotter as a boy at Apperly Bridge!

I agree that the the route needs a DEM to be based on, but it might have to be rebuilt after using Transdem.

If that was done it might be possible to merge with S&C..

Now I am concentrating on Norwegian routes.

pdw

 

[geophil]

The prototype is in cuttings or on embankments and viaducts, albeit not very spectacular ones, for a fair part of the way and it also rises steadily from Leeds towards Skipton. OS data shows the line as approx 25 metres above sea level at Leeds and about 100m at Skipton.

I only rode the train once, just from Shipley to Leeds, but explored the area westward by narrowboat on the Leeds & Liverpool Canal. As far as I remember, it's pretty flat from Skipton to Bingley, then it drops quite a bit to Shipley and again to Apperley Bridge (where we ran out of time and had to take the train back, but that's a story of its own). Railway and canal are in sight of each other for most of the way, so when there are no locks on the canal, there won't be much of a gradient on the railway either, I suppose. That presumably changes near Bingley (famous 5 and 3 chamber staircase locks on the canal).

 

[itareus]

Roland,

You are correct in that Skipton to Bingley is fairly flat, I was simplifying things in my last post. I am very familiar with that stretch of canal as I moored my narrowboat at Apperly Bridge and later at Kildwick (near Connonly) for a few years.

Chris