signal types

martinvk

since 10 Aug 2002
In my content manager I see several USA signals numbered 01, 02, 03, 04 and 05. Is there a guide that describes what they actually are?
Is the numbering scheme the same for BR and QR signals?
I'm more used to Dutch signals that have their function in their names - right divergence - , etc.
 
Auran had an official Trainz signalling guide back in the day that specifically set out what each number meant - they denote the type of signal in terms of either being permissive or absolute, how they work in terms of scripting (read: the default Trainz signals don't fully work according to real life signalling rules/practice), and thus how to position them in order for AI drivers to see them and act accordingly.

It used to be included with earlier versions of Trainz (i.e. 1.3/UTC/04/06 etc), but I think when N3V took over the guide was abandoned (my copy of TRS 2010 certainly did not have it). I still have it backed up on my system though, so to answer your question, I'll have a look and repeat what it states here.

EDIT: Hmm, reading the guide it doesn't specifically state what each signal does, but does show a diagram listing how to position each signal, which unfortunately I can't list here.
 
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Jointed Rail's signals are numbered similarly.

Type 04 = Absolute
Type 05 = Permissive.

There's a small bar where the signal name is supposed to go. Permissive signals mean the train engineer or conductor must ask permission to pass the signal, however, in Trainz the AI will pass the signal without getting in trouble. With these signals, they can allow multiple trains to occupy a block. A real train driver seeing a flashing yellow will prepare to slow down in preparation for a solid yellow signal which indicates the next signal will be red. This used to work in Trainz but it no longer does; we only get solid yellows now.

Type 06 = Diverging signal
Type 06d = Advance signal. This has a small bar under the signal heads too like a permissive signal.
Type 08 = Interlocking - has 3 signal heads.

Auran/N3V added in a couple more signals in the series that Jointed Rail never adopted - Type 01 and Type 02.
Type 01 = Absolute
Type 02 = A 3-headed Advance signal.

I don't remember if a Type 03 signal exists or what that is. It may have existed in the olden days but I can't remember.

The signal rules used by N3V are similar to the NORAC rulebook used by the northeastern railroads such as RDG, NYC, NH, EL, etc., and still used today by NS and CSX. Given the flexibility of Trainz, various content creators have created custom signals based on regional and worldwide differences.

Canada, for example has their own signaling system that's different than those used in the US, and this is the same within the US where there's custom rules for greater Chicago and the western region, meaning west of Chicago, where the system is different than that and in the east. To make matters worse, there are custom adaptations within the base rules adopted by various transit agencies and regional railroads.
 
Thanks. Are the type numbers a Trainz invention or do they have a prototype origin?

Finally found my old signalling guide - shows the signal types without really defining them and or giving the rules for their use. From the diverging diagram I can guess that type 4 is an absolute signal and a type 5 a permissive.
A type 2 is a diverging signal with a type 03 (special type of permissive?) preceding it An L before the number is for Left diverging
USA-diverging-path signals.JPG
 
The numbers are an Auran invention as far as I know. The real names are similar to the ones I gave and are used by Jointed Rail.


That chart is useful. I have that somewhere myself somewhere in my old TRS2004 documentation. I wish we had that kind of thing now instead of having to refer to the Wiki.
 
Here's a tip if you want to have flashing yellows on JR signals. Click on the signal and there's a box called Advance medium (or something like that). It will allow flashing yellows to be displayed at that signal. Yeah, it stinks that you have to do that for every signal that you want flashing yellows.

I have my personal cheat permissive signal which I saved from the very early development of JR signals (going back to TRS 2004). It has a simpler signal code which automatically displays flashing yellows. Works good for my needs in TRS 22PE.
 
Jointed Rail's signals are numbered similarly.

Type 04 = Absolute
Type 05 = Permissive.

There's a small bar where the signal name is supposed to go. Permissive signals mean the train engineer or conductor must ask permission to pass the signal, however, in Trainz the AI will pass the signal without getting in trouble. With these signals, they can allow multiple trains to occupy a block. A real train driver seeing a flashing yellow will prepare to slow down in preparation for a solid yellow signal which indicates the next signal will be red. This used to work in Trainz but it no longer does; we only get solid yellows now.

Type 06 = Diverging signal
Type 06d = Advance signal. This has a small bar under the signal heads too like a permissive signal.
Type 08 = Interlocking - has 3 signal heads.

Auran/N3V added in a couple more signals in the series that Jointed Rail never adopted - Type 01 and Type 02.
Type 01 = Absolute
Type 02 = A 3-headed Advance signal.

I don't remember if a Type 03 signal exists or what that is. It may have existed in the olden days but I can't remember.

The signal rules used by N3V are similar to the NORAC rulebook used by the northeastern railroads such as RDG, NYC, NH, EL, etc., and still used today by NS and CSX. Given the flexibility of Trainz, various content creators have created custom signals based on regional and worldwide differences.

Canada, for example has their own signaling system that's different than those used in the US, and this is the same within the US where there's custom rules for greater Chicago and the western region, meaning west of Chicago, where the system is different than that and in the east. To make matters worse, there are custom adaptations within the base rules adopted by various transit agencies and regional railroads.

Regarding the numbers - initially I had kept similar numbers as the default signals of the time so it was easier to know which went where. Far as i know they were just made up.

This is the actual list in the Jointed Rail code:

01 - n/a
02 - n/a
03 - absolute signals with slow approach aspects as the highest aspect
04 - absolute signal
05 - permissive signal
06d - permissive signal to be used as a distant or pre signal to 06, 07, or 08.
06 - double head diverging signal
07 - double head converging signal (top head always red)
08 - triple head speed interlocking signal
081 - triple head speed interlocking signal with approach aspects as highest

it should be noted that permissive/intermediate signals do not require explicit permission to pass (absolute signals do), but it is by the property of the number plate or other attached marking they automatically allow permission to pass with certain restrictions.
 
Thank you for the detailed information. I copied this for future reference.

I figured as much that the codes were made up and you used them to make things easy.
 
Where are these signals found? The DLS seems to have some of them, but they were created by Auran and are quite old builds. I'm thinking payware.

Bill
 
actually JR has quite a selection of signals. all freeware . they do have a learning curve bet they work
 
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