Signal not recognising "straight" route

[davidbird]

My signal will only show "left diverge" for the straight ahead route.

On a simple test layout I have the following track layout.
A main track which splits into 4, these are named L to R Yard1, Yard2, Platform1, Platform2.
The split is by a 2way jct, L branch splits again to Y1 & Y2, R branch splits to P1 & P2

When I place a signal with a Left Diverge indicator such as the built-in "Signal BR 2" before the 1st junction, it give a left indicator for routes to Y1, Y2 and P1. When I place Signal BR 3, with the right diverge indicator, I only get the feather lit for the route to P2.

This is solved by an additional (invisible) signal between the Main/Y1+Y2 junction and the P1/P2 junction, but of course then the sequence of colours is not preserved. I would have expected the left indication for ONLY Y1, which I could happily work round with an invisible permissive signal for the split to Y1/Y2, but not as it seems to be happening.

It appears that the Left indication is given for "Everything but Right", but when I use the signal BR3 the Right indication is only given for Right.

I know Trainz signals are a bit of a problem, and the situation I've tried to describe is not correct prototypically, but...

Is this normal Trainz behaviour? Can I do anything to change it?

I'm using TS2010, build 44088.

 

[shaneturner12]

I would advise trying Bloodnok's range of signals as these are more configurable than the BR x range of signals.

Shane

 

[davidbird]

Thanks Shane, I'm actually trying to modify (for my own use only) one of Bloodnok's signals, but I used the BR2/BR3 in my description, as I thought more people may be familiar with these, as they're built-in. Its the Left Indication generally I'm having trouble with.
Thanks

 

[davidbird]

Is it due to the way Trainz was initially set up, with Australian/US practice of RHS running?

On a single line approaching a passing loop, the default setting, ie Straight, is the right track. Anything left of that is Left Diverge. Only when specifically indicated by Right Diverge is the right-most track not the default Straight.

Is that the case?

 

[Enkidoh]

The problem is the default Auran signals such as the 'BR 003' type is that they only control a single junction beyond that signal - any more junctions will not be recognized by it. The one with the twin feathers (the white lights above the signal head), according to the old Auran Trainz Signalling Guide are only meant for use with three-way junctions (in other words, three tracks diverging from the one spline point) - they don't work for two separate junctions because of the reason above.

Really, it's better to use Bloodnok's signals for controlling multiple junctions as Shane mentioned, as the Auran ones are pretty limited (even the Signalling Guide admits they're not entirely prototypical in how they function).

Incidentally, Australia follows British practice of left-hand side running on double-track (at least, the mainline government/ex-government systems do), and hence, signals are usually also positioned on the left side of track accordingly usually, so there shouldn't be any difference between the default QR and BR signals (if I remember right, the only difference is the orientation of the unused marker lights below the main signal head)

 

[davidbird]

The problem is the default Auran signals such as the 'BR 003' type is that they only control a single junction beyond that signal - any more junctions will not be recognized by it.

Obviously confused by the 2nd junction, but both sides of my 1st junction were giveing the left feather...

...unused marker lights below the main signal head

Actually its these marker lights I was trying to use when modifying Bloodnok's signal, to get them to light up for the left diverge, this bit works OK, but its still showing left when I want straight, over 2 junctions.

Oh well, I'll just wait for the "official" update then, where it'll all be controlled by scripting

 

[stagecoach]

If you use the 2A, 3A and 4A type of signals you also need the signal Feathers to go with them. Place a 3A signal and on the diverge track place the relevant feather (left 1) and straight feather on the straight line. The signal sees the first feather and shows the path. If you have multiple junctions then place the feathers after them. Left 1 for the first junction, left 2 for the second and left 3 for the third. You also have the option with other feathers to use a letter or number for different tracks.