How does it effect other countries? Many countries do things on their own that doesn't have impact on America.
Should We Electrify Freight RR?
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How does it effect other countries? Many countries do things on their own that doesn't have impact on America.
johnwhelan
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We sell you hydro for a start. Air pollution from the US drifts across into Canada, CO2 created adds to global warming which is currently thought to have a major impact on rain patterns especially in Africa. Basically it means a few Africans dying of starvation or having a lower standard of living. France is hoping to sell you lots of new electric trains, a number of companies would be interested in the marketing opportunities. If we can get some economies of scale going then electrifying Canadian railroads would be cheaper and that's just the start.
The world is interrelated these days much more so than it used to be.
Cheerio John
Talk about war between the states...
Red, the last time I checked Tennessee is part of America...
The Conasauga River flows south out of Tennessee into Georgia...somewhere south of the state line it became one of the most polluted waterways, from farm waste water & runoff that killed vegetation along the banks, that washed away the land...& Georgia wished to sue Tennessee for land along the Tennessee River Waterway for fresh water & I don't wonder why Georgia lost...
John, since the Earth turns the direction it does & weather patterns move as they do, I don't see damage to the Great Nation of Canada announced...the pollution would go west & need to cover over half the planet to effect Africa...
The problems of the noble Nation of Africa have never been blamed on the US-America either...our technology is focused on helping Africa, but you new that...
Stork, your wrong about mass transit in California...check out the railway museums there...:hehe:
I won't deny the ambient atmospheric temperature changes sited as so-called "Global Warming" are occurring but what is the alternative...? The Ice Age...? We can do nothing to affect a control over either...
If we cannot effect a measurable change experimentally & get the same results repetitively, then the experiment is not real science, just theory.
Remember there exists people who have an agenda of controlling other people, like for example laws enacted in the United States of America to satisfy the whims of the United Nations.
Red, the last time I checked Tennessee is part of America...The Conasauga River flows south out of Tennessee into Georgia...somewhere south of the state line it became one of the most polluted waterways, from farm waste water & runoff that killed vegetation along the banks, that washed away the land...& Georgia wished to sue Tennessee for land along the Tennessee River Waterway for fresh water & I don't wonder why Georgia lost...
John, since the Earth turns the direction it does & weather patterns move as they do, I don't see damage to the Great Nation of Canada announced...the pollution would go west & need to cover over half the planet to effect Africa...
The problems of the noble Nation of Africa have never been blamed on the US-America either...our technology is focused on helping Africa, but you new that...
Stork, your wrong about mass transit in California...check out the railway museums there...:hehe:
I won't deny the ambient atmospheric temperature changes sited as so-called "Global Warming" are occurring but what is the alternative...? The Ice Age...? We can do nothing to affect a control over either...
If we cannot effect a measurable change experimentally & get the same results repetitively, then the experiment is not real science, just theory.
Remember there exists people who have an agenda of controlling other people, like for example laws enacted in the United States of America to satisfy the whims of the United Nations.
The Conasauga River flows south out of Tennessee into Georgia...somewhere south of the state line it became one of the most polluted waterways, from farm waste water & runoff that killed vegetation along the banks, that washed away the land...& Georgia wished to sue Tennessee for land along the Tennessee River Waterway for fresh water & I don't wonder why Georgia lost...
John, since the Earth turns the direction it does & weather patterns move as they do, I don't see damage to the Great Nation of Canada announced...the pollution would go west & need to cover over half the planet to effect Africa...
The problems of the noble Nation of Africa have never been blamed on the US-America either...our technology is focused on helping Africa, but you new that...
Stork, your wrong about mass transit in California...check out the railway museums there...:hehe:
I won't deny the ambient atmospheric temperature changes sited as so-called "Global Warming" are occurring but what is the alternative...? The Ice Age...? We can do nothing to affect a control over either...
If we cannot effect a measurable change experimentally & get the same results repetitively, then the experiment is not real science, just theory.
Remember there exists people who have an agenda of controlling other people, like for example laws enacted in the United States of America to satisfy the whims of the United Nations.
You wrongly assume my last sentance is directed at you. You know what happens when you ASSume
Again, no offense intended to anyone...
I understand Red, however you only quoted my post...by the way, what's BK?
Stork, even Rome, GA had over a dozen streetcars running locally starting in 1885 until 1933, San Francisco had a cable operated streecar line that is still in use....both off hydro-electric power.
I understand Red, however you only quoted my post...by the way, what's BK?Stork, even Rome, GA had over a dozen streetcars running locally starting in 1885 until 1933, San Francisco had a cable operated streecar line that is still in use....both off hydro-electric power.
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While I often refer to USA statistics, it is not because I am accusing Americans of being the sole creators of pollution, it is because 99% of the reliable info on the net is from some university study in the USA, I have to state that the study is about the USA (because it is), but in reality I am referring to the whole of the "industrialised" world
It does not matter where the pollution is created eventually we will all breath it in
Also I use the USA railroads as examples for the same reasons, although here I think that they do have the least percentage of track under wire
@ backyard, in reference to "And as far as this statement "a forum of opinions fostered by power junkies" I'll just treat ignorance with the contempt it deserves." I took your meaning completely wrong and apologize for my rudeness
Cheers David
It does not matter where the pollution is created eventually we will all breath it in
Also I use the USA railroads as examples for the same reasons, although here I think that they do have the least percentage of track under wire
@ backyard, in reference to "And as far as this statement "a forum of opinions fostered by power junkies" I'll just treat ignorance with the contempt it deserves." I took your meaning completely wrong and apologize for my rudeness
Cheers David
Not everything that heppens in the USA (or another country) stays there. Example, prior the the bank bailouts, a US bank sold certain "things" (I'm not up on bank terminology of their products) to a town in Norway. Bank folding happens, bailouts and that town lost a lot of money.
backyard, while technically streetcars are mass transit, I don't think of them when saying mass transit. They usually operate alone or in pairs, electric transit usually I think of multiple car units like NYC subways, DC subways, Chicago EL, Boston's, etc. The South had less of this but I believe still had it before California, I believe the Northwest too.
My point is that it is easy for someone in another country to say that American Railroads need to electrify and that the US Government should pay for it and allow the companies to pay them back interest free; when they do not have to pony up the tax money for said project.
Most industrialized nations have an interlinked interest in what the other does.
Most industrialized nations have an interlinked interest in what the other does.
A new point...
Hello Red, as a point of clarification, my use of the term "power-junkies" are groups or individuals that for one reason or the other wish to control the rest of us. It was not aimed at anyone here...
Here is a link I found on the Heavy Equipment Forums about off-road Diesel emissions regulations pending.
These draconian regulations(specifically Tier I, Tier II, Tier III & a new one on me, Tier IV), not only will reduce emissions but as General Electric GEVO Locomotives have shown us can produce a fuel-efficient, simplified(fewer cylinders) monster, even though it won't last as long as the old technology.
This more than anything will bring electrification of our nations railroads...
Hello Red, as a point of clarification, my use of the term "power-junkies" are groups or individuals that for one reason or the other wish to control the rest of us. It was not aimed at anyone here...Here is a link I found on the Heavy Equipment Forums about off-road Diesel emissions regulations pending.
These draconian regulations(specifically Tier I, Tier II, Tier III & a new one on me, Tier IV), not only will reduce emissions but as General Electric GEVO Locomotives have shown us can produce a fuel-efficient, simplified(fewer cylinders) monster, even though it won't last as long as the old technology.
This more than anything will bring electrification of our nations railroads...
Hi All: It seems like through out history, we have had Barons in on things, particularly our country..Now we have the big oil Barons who want to control things and keep things for themselves..Now look at what has happened in Dubai..I believe that it is only the beginning of a oil crunch..I also believe that if we ever thought about Electrifycation for our RR's NOW IS THE TIME..It would benefit this country on the pulloution problem, as well as the benefits for having faster and more economic way of hauling freight as well as passengers..
Bob Cass
Bob Cass
ARE YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING PULLING FREIGHT WITH BOXES WITH BYCICLE HORNS!!!!
NO!!! I don't want to see silent boxes with little bycicle horns dominating the mountains!!!!!!!!:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'sleep: I am all Steam and Diesel!!!! Electrics just don't sound powerful!!!!
NO!!! I don't want to see silent boxes with little bycicle horns dominating the mountains!!!!!!!!:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'
sleep: I am all Steam and Diesel!!!! Electrics just don't sound powerful!!!!Hi farthegn: Lets clear the air on Electrics..Electrics out class steam or diesel when it comes to adhesion, pulling power, faster starting..Also don't forget about Degenterive braking, which means, the engine returns power back to the catenary..I can understand your feelings toward no electrics in the mountains, but thats were the electrics shine..Out class anything you can put against it..
Bob Cass
Bob Cass
You guys do know (For those of you against and for it) that electrification wont happen for A LONG time? There is just to much mainline track in the US to make sence. "Europe has it" well no duh its a bunch of mostly government owned railroads in tiny areas so there money goes farther. Here? We can barley keep out comuter and passenger trains rolling. "Have the government pay for it" haha, and were are they getting the money from? Nice try on that.
Ok I just had to say that.
Ok I just had to say that.
Closer than you may think...
The purchase of the BNSF by Berkshire Hathaway has brought partial electrification as a possibility.
Berkshire Hathaway also owns the Coca-Cola Company so the pockets are big...
I'm sorry to see you go pommie, responding to this thread has been a challenge...I have unsubscribed twice myself...
I found a website belonging to a Dr. Roy Spencer, Ph.D, a NASA climatologist for the debate of whether climate change is natural or man-made.
The purchase of the BNSF by Berkshire Hathaway has brought partial electrification as a possibility.Berkshire Hathaway also owns the Coca-Cola Company so the pockets are big...
I'm sorry to see you go pommie, responding to this thread has been a challenge...I have unsubscribed twice myself...
I found a website belonging to a Dr. Roy Spencer, Ph.D, a NASA climatologist for the debate of whether climate change is natural or man-made.
Not all electrics were boxes. Steeplecabs were not boxes, neither was some people's favorite GG1. Then there are benficial effects depending on where you electrify. Cities have long been known to reduct pollution just from electrifying mass transit for example, Given your location look up the effects of coal mining on the Appalachian region.NO!!! I don't want to see silent boxes with little bycicle horns dominating the mountains!!!!!!!!:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'
Sorry to see you leave, if not for this topic, I would not know some things I didn't know before, items that you and others have contributed. This is one of the least argumentive topics of its type I have seen in a while in my opinion.
Out of the mouth of a Narrow Gauge man
Well, then again, I'm mostly a narrow-gauge D&RGW-type man with conservative tastes. So, It's no-wonder I don't really like electrics. I'm just the kinda guy who likes the type of locomotive that has a loud rumble to it. I never really cared for speed...
Well, then again, I'm mostly a narrow-gauge D&RGW-type man with conservative tastes. So, It's no-wonder I don't really like electrics. I'm just the kinda guy who likes the type of locomotive that has a loud rumble to it. I never really cared for speed...