SD40-2 Commission

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Kris94

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I'm in need of some SD40-2s and they need to be fiction locomotives on a fiction railroad. I will give the details on the specifics as far as schemes go when the project gets started.

Basics as far as the locomotive specifications and details
Custom Cab
Engine Sound: EMD 16-645E3(Jointed Rail)
Bogey Color: Black
Fuel Capacity: 4,000 US Gallons(15,000 Liters)
Sand Capacity: 1,270 Liters(?Cubic Feet)
Hornsound: S3L(RRmods)
Train Effects Sound Library: RRMods or Jointed Rail
ARN Library
Multi-Number
Auto Number Attachment Grid
Number Range: 832-940
Headlights on the cab
Horn mounted directly above cab
Ditchlights(Non-flashing)
Startup.wav(World of Trainz)
Shutdown.wav(World of Trainz)
Alerter/Alerter Reset(World of Trainz)
Numbers put below cabin window
Engine Spec: SD40-2 Engine


If someone could tell me what the cost of this locomotive would be I will immediately start saving and when I reach required funds, then will contact for further notice and proceedure. Thank you.

 
Hi Paul

You seem to, by your remarks,,have an expert knowledge of what it takes to create these wonderful items,,engines, wagons , various designs used in Trainz.....I had no idea that so few people have the skills necessary to create these works of art...truly an under appreciated art form.

I'm a total novice,,but would appreciate a few remarks about the depth of skills and talents involved and just what goes into these fine creations. Just a thought, but thanks for making me more aware of the time and talent involved.

I think it would be fascinating to contact the History Channel, and make them aware of these fine artisans,,,who bring to life such a part of American History,,,,what a great little vignette it would make on the show
"How It's Made",,,to highlight these artists,,,or, another show of which there are many....

I have always loved the paintings,, of a steam locomotive chugging through a snowstorm,nearly snowbound, but pushing ahead with such determined spirit,,,such a representation of American talent and courage-- many of which I've seen over the years--- and, strangely,for reasons I do not fully understand, they bring the deepest nostalgic emotions, of a time gone by, never to return----aha!! then the sim creators come along, ,,,and these spring to life, for the rest of us to experience and enjoy...once again,,,many thanks to all of you...

a true Trainz fan, and fan of a true art form...I have such admiration for the few in the world that can design these, as you mentioned...have a most pleasant day---

CRE
 
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charlieencin said:
You seem to, by your remarks,,have an expert knowledge of what it takes to create these wonderful items,,engines, wagons , various designs used in Trainz.....I had no idea that so few people have the skills necessary to create these works of art...truly an under appreciated art form.
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Only two people (as far as I know) have developed a start/stop script for diesel locos, it's not a function that is available to every content creator by default in TRS. If somebody else wants to implement it they'll have to try and work it out for themselves.

Making basic models without all those listed features isn't so hard really.

Paul
 
RR Mods has some mighty fine loco's ... as does USLW, and West Coast Trainz.

There are many other creators also ... I need cawfeeeee ... I keep thinkin', but nuttin' happens !
 
The listed requirements do tend to limit the number of creators that can fulfill them. If you find a locomotive that meets your needs, but just want it skinned to your liking, then I would help, but I'm no modeler!
 
Kris94 said:
I'm in need of some SD40-2s and they need to be fiction locomotives on a fiction railroad. I will give the details on the specifics as far as schemes go when the project gets started.

Basics as far as the locomotive specifications and details
Custom Cab
Engine Sound: EMD 16-645E3(Jointed Rail)
Bogey Color: Black
Fuel Capacity: 4,000 US Gallons(15,000 Liters)
Sand Capacity: 1,270 Liters(?Cubic Feet)
Hornsound: S3L(RRmods)
Train Effects Sound Library: RRMods or Jointed Rail
ARN Library
Multi-Number
Auto Number Attachment Grid
Number Range: 832-940
Headlights on the cab
Horn mounted directly above cab
Ditchlights(Non-flashing)
Startup.wav(World of Trainz)
Shutdown.wav(World of Trainz)
Alerter/Alerter Reset(World of Trainz)
Numbers put below cabin window
Engine Spec: SD40-2 Engine


If someone could tell me what the cost of this locomotive would be I will immediately start saving and when I reach required funds, then will contact for further notice and proceedure. Thank you.
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Just looking at the list of.....requirements.

Some things requested...World of Trainz, JointedRail, RRMods, etc, may or may not be used without permission of the content creator.

Is it possible to use these items in a payware product even as a commissioned product?

Just asking.

Have fun
 
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I'd have to agree that the list of creators that could put all of the requirements together is rather limited and gaining all of the permissions necessary for payware might be a problem.

Mike
 
aardvark1 said:
Some things requested...World of Trainz, JointedRail, RRMods, etc, may or may not be used without permission of the content creator.
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... and chances are more than very high that those creators won't really be too thrilled about such an idea. This isn't really how commissions work.
 
You know whats funny you damn Gimmepig? Its called paintshoppro. Google is very useful in finding it. Find someone elses and skin one yourself instead of demanding one be built to your specs. Most of the stuff you listed can be changed in the config file, but considering you have already displayed your blatant stupidity, you wouldnt know the config file from system32.

Its people like this that keeps me away from this community...
 
jadebullet said:
No, just no. This is an impossible request for a multitude of reasons. Go away.
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How is it impossible? Phil was able to do it. And why should I go away? I'm in my own house and you are just visiting. So maybe you should just go away instead of being rude maybe be a little nicer.
 
It wasn't supposed to be them creating thosethings. It was just a list of features that other creaters use. Just apply the stuff they use with theirs and put it on this. With their permission and who knows if this will happen. If Phil and JR can do this which they've already done, then all you need to do is ask. Heck I'll ask for that matter.
 
If I am correct, I think what you are asking is that someone makes you a payware model using different payware creator's scripts/ideas/content/etc. It seems by the way you speak of "asking" that you do not expect there to be any monetary involvement in this, which is extremely unlikely, because that is essentially asking a creator to hand over their work for free, so that your creator can make money in part off of their work. Even most freeware creators likely wouldn't stand for this.

Let me use an analogy, so that perhaps you can more well understand why people are knocking your request down. Say you are getting a computer built from a local place. However, you need parts from a bunch of different other places. You seem to be asking that all these other places just give up the parts to the local shop free of charge, even though the shop is selling the computer to you for cash. Seem fair or logical to the other retailers? Nope.

So, let me suggest two things-neither perfect, and neither are necessarily 100% possible as far as getting your desired result exactly as you picture it.
1. Ask the creators, and offer them compensation for the content and such you want your creator to put in the commission model. This will drive up the price, and some features may not be attainable, as some stuff maybe "secret sauce" that creators would not want to share.
2. Have a model created/skinned/scripted for you with all the publicly available stuff (or take an already-made loco), and then attempt the other modifications you want done by yourself. Again, you likely won't be able to get anything, but this should cost less (perhaps nothing if you take an existing model).
Remember that either one-especially #2, would be for personal use only.

Good luck,
tyard
 
tyard said:
If I am correct, I think what you are asking is that someone makes you a payware model using different payware creator's scripts/ideas/content/etc. It seems by the way you speak of "asking" that you do not expect there to be any monetary involvement in this, which is extremely unlikely, because that is essentially asking a creator to hand over their work for free, so that your creator can make money in part off of their work. Even most freeware creators likely wouldn't stand for this.

Let me use an analogy, so that perhaps you can more well understand why people are knocking your request down. Say you are getting a computer built from a local place. However, you need parts from a bunch of different other places. You seem to be asking that all these other places just give up the parts to the local shop free of charge, even though the shop is selling the computer to you for cash. Seem fair or logical to the other retailers? Nope.

So, let me suggest two things-neither perfect, and neither are necessarily 100% possible as far as getting your desired result exactly as you picture it.
1. Ask the creators, and offer them compensation for the content and such you want your creator to put in the commission model. This will drive up the price, and some features may not be attainable, as some stuff maybe "secret sauce" that creators would not want to share.
2. Have a model created/skinned/scripted for you with all the publicly available stuff (or take an already-made loco), and then attempt the other modifications you want done by yourself. Again, you likely won't be able to get anything, but this should cost less (perhaps nothing if you take an existing model).
Remember that either one-especially #2, would be for personal use only.

Good luck,
tyard
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Well here's my quick sympothisis. Phil Campbell might be the only one who can install almost every single feature that I'm looking for. As far as the others go I'll probably ask JR if they would allow me to make modifications on the loco but i wouldn't release their stuff. I'll just direct everyone over to them. Plus I'd ask Phil to make the engines a little larger in the scale up to the size of JR's engines. I love his engines but they are somewhat small. More like HO size.

I don't know I'll see.
 
Kris94 said:
Well here's my quick sympothisis. Phil Campbell might be the only one who can install almost every single feature that I'm looking for. As far as the others go I'll probably ask JR if they would allow me to make modifications on the loco but i wouldn't release their stuff. I'll just direct everyone over to them. Plus I'd ask Phil to make the engines a little larger in the scale up to the size of JR's engines. I love his engines but they are somewhat small. More like HO size.

I don't know I'll see.
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Phil isn't really that active with Trainz at the moment. I believe he mentioned recently that he was "semi-retired". So, even assuming he was interested in working on this project, I'm not sure he'd be available.

I do understand your desire to have engines that meet your specifications. I felt the same way when I started with Trainz, and it was frustrating when the things that I wanted/needed were not available. However, my solution was to learn to create content myself. It's not easy, and the things that I produce are far from the greatest works of art, but they suit me and I'm very happy with them. Perhaps you should consider the same path?

As has already been stated, I doubt that any creators out there are going to take on this commission. I think the only way that you'd get this done would be to "kitbash" these features into a locomotive on your own - assuming that is even possible.

Patrick
 
Kris94 said:
Well here's my quick sympothisis. Phil Campbell might be the only one who can install almost every single feature that I'm looking for. As far as the others go I'll probably ask JR if they would allow me to make modifications on the loco but i wouldn't release their stuff. I'll just direct everyone over to them. Plus I'd ask Phil to make the engines a little larger in the scale up to the size of JR's engines. I love his engines but they are somewhat small. More like HO size.

I don't know I'll see.
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You still don't get it do you? You can't, and let me bold that for you: CANT have a locomotive that has parts swapping between 2 completely different modelers. It doesn't work that way. Its not like Lego bricks or whatever your stupid mind comprehends. Stop asking about it because it'll never happen.
 
I realize this may be the farthest thing from your mind, but I post this in case you or anyone else finds it of use. At this point, it seems unlikely anyone is able to run your commission, so you may be stuck with either custom work or trying to modify an existing SD40-2.

If, per chance, you are in high school or college, Autodesk does make their newer software available 100% free. Weird as it may sound, for students they give you a 100% discount on their multiple-thousand USD software-you just sign up and download away. If this applies to you, and you are interested in jumping onto the long path of Trainz creation, I'd suggest you grab 3ds this way, and just import down to Gmax/TACS for actual Trainz work (until the importer is updated to support newer versions of 3ds Max). By having the newest of 3ds Max, by learning it for Trainz, you are also learning a valuable skill that could help with other things. It is for that reason I think 3ds Max is a good choice, when you can get it for free.

If free 3ds Max isn't attainable to you, then you have other perfectly good options.
1. You can get 3ds Max for full cost (at some places you can at least get older versions for only a few hundred, as opposed to a few thousand dollars). If you buy an older one, I believe 2009 and older support Trainz (2009 may be the first iteration to be named as a year as opposed to single number. Max 9 I believe is it's predecessor).
2. Plenty of people still use Gmax with the TACS plugin. It's a proven system, but it is a bit less documented as far as help and the like. Plus if they'res something wrong, you're stuck with it.
3. Blender is an up and coming technique for Trainz creation. The software itself has good generic tutorials, and it's still a new and supported software.
4. (NOT recommended) Google SketchUp might have had a TRS converter, and is easy to use, but it's abilities are limited for what TRS needs.

Whatever you choose, I wish you luck, and I hope this long and drawn out post wasn't too too boring! :p

-tyard
 
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