Problems with crashing

[LennieL]

I have downloaded a beautiful layout but am not able to use it. The layout is the Gloucester Bay Terminal by gfisher. Everytime I try to run this layout it mentions an error with the MSVCR80.dll file and then closes Trainz if I hit either of the two choices - Continue or Terminate. I was thinking there might be some incompatible scenery involved, maybe one of the bridges that does not show up in Driver mode, but I was unable to delete and replace that bridge in Surveyor. Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? Thanks.

I am running TRAINZ 2009 on a 2.20 GHz system with 2 GB of RAM and a 256 MB video card (NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT).

Lennie

 

[Euphod]

What does CM2 show for errors and /or missing dependencies concerning the route? 2009 does not like many scripts from previous versions, so there could be an item trying to load with a faulty script (for 2009). Are you running it in compatability mode or native?

 

[LennieL]

Thanks for reply.
How do I go about checking the CM2 and the compatibility?

 

[Euphod]

Use the launch 2009 icon, then choose "Content". Choose the "Installed" tab at the top of CM2, then find your route in the list. RMB click on the route, then choose "View Errors and Warnings". To check if you are in compatability mode, choose "File", then Launch Trainz. When the splash screen opens use the "Main Menu" at the top left of the screen, then choose "Options". A new window will open with "Video Settings" at the top, check the little box in the window lower middle to operate in compatability mode. You must turn Trainz off and restart after doing so.

 

[LennieL]

Thanks again.
CM2 does show that there are 4 dependencies with question marks (including that lift bridge), plus a lot more with exclamation points. How do I resolve these issues?

 

[gfisher]

That lift bridge does show faults, but since it seemed to work just fine in TRS2006, and since I did not know how to fix it, I used it anyway, since it was the closest I could find at the time for the real bridge. The asset is Austin Lift Bridge 2, 316:23021:1. You might try deleting it from the route's asset table in the config file and see if that helps you to open up Surveyor. You might then look for one of Ben Dorseys swing bridges to fill the void.

I have not tested any of my TRS2006 routes in TS2009, and have no immediate plans to do so. (Keeping it virginal and chaste for "native" content, although that seems like a lost cause.)

 

[LennieL]

Thanks.
I actually have no problems opening the route in Surveyor, but when I try it in the Driver mode it crashes after maybe 5 minutes or so as described in my original question. I was able to find the bridge in the asset table. How do I go about deleting it?
I really do enjoy your layout and hope to get it up and running correctly.

 

[gfisher]

Well if you can open the route in Surveyor, then you should be able to delete the bridge in Surveyor and try another one to see if that will help. If it runs in Driver but quits after a while it sounds to me more like a TS2009 system memory problem, but that is just a guess.

 

[LennieL]

The bridge shows in Surveyor as vertical yellow lines at each end of it and it cannot be deleted there. When in Driver mode the tracks show up with no bridge to support them.

 

[Dermmy]

I suspect there are two problems - a faulty asset that TRS09 intensely dislikes and secondly a computer which is not quite up to the route. Open Task Manager and go to the 'Processes' tab before launching Trainz. Once the route is running 'Alt+Tab' to Task Manager and I suspect you will find that once you allow for what the system itself is using you are nudging right up to the sharp edge of that 2Gig of RAM. Closing anything running in the background might help a bit...

Andy

 

[gfisher]

When I just went into 2006 to look at the bridge it didn't want to open right away. I selected a copy of it and placed it at random next to it and then both showed up. You could try that. Then delete both.

I built the route with 2Gb ram and a 256 video card, but I had to scale back the draw distances a fair amount to run it. I think that the minimum draw distance in TS2009 is the old maximum, so I think you might be running out of memory and graphic card capability. You might check to see that you have at least 1536Mb of ram allocated to Trainz in your trainz options file....that's what I used. with 2006...although 2009 probably needs more.

 

[LennieL]

Gfisher,
I'm not sure what happened differently, but I was able to work around the Bay for quite a while this evening with a couple of small trains. No crashing of the pc occurred but I was nowhere near the aforementioned bridge. Assuming that this might be a memory problem are there some memory heavy portions of this layout that you could recommend my deleting, maybe some of the sounds or some of the intense scenery (though I'd hate to see any of that go)? I'm assuming that the pc memory is not being used up by distant scenery so I don't suppose that would help me any. I'm recently retired so an upgrade to my pc is not an option at this point. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Lennie

 

[JCitron]

Gfisher,
I'm not sure what happened differently, but I was able to work around the Bay for quite a while this evening with a couple of small trains. No crashing of the pc occurred but I was nowhere near the aforementioned bridge. Assuming that this might be a memory problem are there some memory heavy portions of this layout that you could recommend my deleting, maybe some of the sounds or some of the intense scenery (though I'd hate to see any of that go)? I'm assuming that the pc memory is not being used up by distant scenery so I don't suppose that would help me any. I'm recently retired so an upgrade to my pc is not an option at this point. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Lennie

Lennie,

The problem may not be the asset, but perhaps a problem with your computer's memory. I had the same problem with my old computer. The program would run for exactly 1/2 hour while in Driver, but I could stay in Surveyor all day. My hard drive would go crazy when I reached a certain place in the layout where there was a lot of extra content.

At first I thought it was a bad asset, but even though I cleaned out lots of stuff one at a time, the problem wouldn't go away. Since this is my own route, which is quite large and varied, I had another driving session that went another way. The program ran fine until I reached the new place with lots of buildings and trees, and the same thing happened within the same time period. The hard drive would start thrashing about, then the screen would flicker and the program would die to the terminate continue screen.

I noticed that other programs weren't as spiffy as the used to be, and then one day Internet Explorer and Word crashed with memory location errors. I ran memtstx86 from a bootable CD, and sure enough within 10 seconds or less, memory errors showed up. After replacing the bad DIMM, the program ran fine.

Now there are a couple things to keep in mind here. This could be a bad DIMM, or it could be heat related. This is now July, and it's as you know gertting more humid and warmer. Computer parts, particularly when they are stressed by a lot of work, which is common with Trainz, will get flaky when hot.

You might want to check the cooling in your computer. Make sure the fans are clear of dirt, fur, and other things. Ensure that the case is clean inside and properly ventilated and cooled. You might need to add extra fans, and or an external fan to keep the components cool.

Good luck and let us know what's going on.

John

 

[philskene]

Hi Lennie --

I had the same problem a while back.

I found that a route would crash unexpectedly usually at the same point in Driver.

When I updated to the latest patch this stopped.

When you first go into TRS2009 you will see the build number in the bottom right of the screen.

My says:
Build 38599

Phil