O third rail layout suggestions?

drchoi21

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Should I build the PRR layout from existing tracks or should I build it with buying new gargraves tracks
Requirements for The layout
- Double Tracked Mainline 0-60 minimum
- no bigger than 6x10
- no bigger than 600 dollars

Fastrack
18 O-36
1 pair of O36 switches
19 straight tracks
 
Hello Drchoi,

I've built many layouts both in O-tinplate and HO and N scale and three principles in planning such layouts became obvious to me. First, and most important, when planning a new layout, plan and build what you want. That is the whole reason for building the layout to start with. Second, do not despise what you have. Use whatever you have that will assist in realizing your new creation without compromising the product you plan to achieve. Third, be realistic about the resources you have available. If you can afford it, start anew. If not, and depending on things like your age, your expected forthcoming resources and the time you have available, workwithin those limits. It is always better to have something than to overreach and end up with nothing.

I know this is a general answer, but you asked a general question. In a nutshell, will your new creation provide you with something worth the work needed for the change? and can you do it in a reasonable time given the circumstances? Then go for it.

Bernie
 
I concur that you have to be pragmatic, but don't compromise to the point that you are building something you don't really want, because then you'll get something you won't want to run.
 
Here's what I think. Depending on how much track you will need, I would just stick with the fastrack (seeing as you already have a good quantity of it.) However, that being said, it isn't as forgiving as Gargraves track would be (because it is flexible). I would say go with the gargraves because you are more able to do what you want with the track.
 
My layout in Trainz
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I have a question, Can 500 Watt Power Supply can be converted into model railroad power?

No, or a least without a lot of reengineering to make it work. The problem is the way the switching power supplies work. A simple model railroad power supply is a simple rheostat that controls the output voltage on the DC side, or a varistor on the AC circuit. A computer power supply is a switching power supply which works totally different.

Without going into too many more details than this, the computer supply needs a known-good feedback loop in order to stay on, and a constant load to power up. Without the load, the switcher can blow up if it is not configured properly.

Please don't consider modifying a switching-type power supply. These have high voltages and currents, and are very dangerous to work on.

See this here:

Surplus PC power supplies are widely available and inexpensive. However, what do you do if 5 V isn't exactly what you need for a project?
(From: Winfield Hill (hill@rowland.org).)

Some of the PC power supplies I've dissected do have pots, by they have a limited voltage-adjustment range. One interesting thing, every design used a TL431 chip, which is a 3-pin TO-92 regulating IC, as the voltage reference and opto-feedback component. Find this chip and trace out the resistors connected to it to determine which part to change to make a higher voltage. But, watch out for the SCR over-voltage circuit in some supplies. This is usually set to trip around 6 to 6.5 volts, and its trip point would need to be modified as well. As far as the step-down transformer turns ratio, there's little trouble one will encounter here, because the power supply is no doubt designed to function properly with reduced AC line voltages. The penalty one will pay for turning up the output voltage is a higher minimum AC voltage.

In most designs, the +12 and -12 V supplies merely track the 5V supply, and are not separately regulated. They may soar to higher voltages anyway if unloaded, but will be additionally increased in voltage by the ratio of 5V output increase. Even though the rating of the 5V electrolytic may not be exceeded, and still have a sufficient safety margin, this may not be the case for the 12 V outputs. So that issue should be examined as well.
Finally, a reminder for any reader tempted to break open the box and start experimenting. Voltages of up to 320 V are present, so be careful. Know what you're doing. For safety, stay away from open supplies when plugged in, or always keep one hand behind your back when probing. Remember a the AC bridge and HV DC and flyback transformer portion of all these supplies is operating straight from the AC line, so don't connect the ground of your oscilloscope to any of that circuitry. A battery-operated multimeter is best.

All taken from:
http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/smpsfaq.htm

Power supplies are a dangerous lot to work on. I can't repeat this enough. They can blow up! Seriously! As a technician, I was zapped a few times from residual power in some capacitors in CRT circuits. This was only voltage with low current, but it was enough to hurt and jar my hand enough to cut it on the chassis. I've also been zapped by what were thought to be "dead" power supplies. They were left in a box to be repaired when we had time to do so. Some of these power supplies were in that box for about 3 or 4 months. Guess what? The capacitors still held a charge, and one of them put me on my backside! Getting hit by 320V at 1A, really, really hurts!

John
 
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