Newbie: I can't derail?

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AnusWillcrap

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Trainz Classic 1st & 2nd Edition.

I'm in cab mode and I have realistic derail set in
startup.

I can go round 40mph bends at 110mph and I'm
stuck on track like super glue.

Are derail's actually graphicly depicted, or does some
thing just pop up and say ...ding dong Derailment! :D
 
graphic

Derailments are graphics, stock should fly everywhere.... Although I use 04 I don't think there is any difference on this point.

Try running your train off the end of the track.... you'll soon see.

Angela
 
flying tonight

Yes, I would think you should come off if the bend is tight enough.
And the stock should stay above ground level, it does in 04 anyway, goes scattering all over.
There is a thread in the Screenshots section on train crashes, have a look at that and see what I mean.

Angela
 
there may be some settings involved. i don't have tc1&2 so i can't say for sure, but in 2006 there's a setting for none, realistic, or spectacular.

however, i haven't seen an overspeed derailment, only from running against a switch, which i don't see as entirely realistic as irl, unless pushing a very light wagon, like an empty tofc/cofc, the points are more likely to be forced over and the tie rod bent on the switch, unless it has one of the newer mechanisms ment to allow for this in which case, one of the two cases where derailments occur, is actually one where they shouldn't.

i've only seen one scenario in which overspeed on curves caused a derailment, it's one of the razor back's, and if i'm remembering correctly, it's not graphic, it just stops and dumps you out of the scenario.

most of the time, as the op noted, however fast the engine spec will let you go you stay on the track at, no matter how sharp the curve.

personally i don't need or care for derailments at all, because the're just not pertinent to what i'm interested in, but there have been times when it seemed awfully strainge i could be going that fast arround that sharp of a curve and not bend a rail over and tear out half the spikes its held with, as the prototype with its massive mass, most assuredly does.
 
AnusWillcrap said:
Trainz Classic 1st & 2nd Edition.

I'm in cab mode and I have realistic derail set in
startup.

I can go round 40mph bends at 110mph and I'm
stuck on track like super glue.

Are derail's actually graphicly depicted, or does some
thing just pop up and say ...ding dong Derailment! :D
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Why would you wanna derail in the first place...Thats pretty stupid :confused:
 
"Why would you wanna derail in the first place...Thats pretty stupid"

Well if you can't derail, it's not much of a simulator
is it.

What is the difference between TC1&2 and TRS2006.?
Which is the newest version.?

TC1&2 actually has some 06 helps files in it.
It says you need to check coupling breakage in
start up, but there is no such option in start up.
 
angelah said:
Yes, I would think you should come off if the bend is tight enough.
And the stock should stay above ground level, it does in 04 anyway, goes scattering all over.
There is a thread in the Screenshots section on train crashes, have a look at that and see what I mean.

Angela
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Arrrrr! now is see, there seems to be some hostility at this site to derailment's. that explains it :hehe:

Yeah thank's Angela, but I did'nt see any screen shots.
There might be some browser option I need to select.
 
Screenies

The thread is specifically for crash screenies, although as with all 'screenshot' threads there is a lot of chattering goes on as well. I found quite a few shots of crashes.

And maybe we should all not forget this is essentially a game, not the real thing, so we can have a bit of relaxation.
Real rail crashes are a disaster, of course, and people get killed and that's not funny at all, quite the opposite, but Trainz is not real...
I often use the Drive command to deliberately run a train (consist) along a section of track if I get a red signal for an unknown reason or the train just stops dead and there is no explanation. I do this until it derails, then I know where the problem lies and can correct it.
And it is useful to know where boundaries are in the program, how sharp a bend can be before things start falling off and experimenting is the only way to find out.

Okay, whoever this person is I admit they have chosen a rather silly username, but we do live in a free world and it is everybody's free choice to use whatever name they wish. I am sure the Mods would stamp on somebody if they felt a member had gone too far.

Shouldn't we all lighten up a bit?

God bless,

Angela
 
In Surveyor Mode...

:cool: ...go to Edit Session/Start-up Options, and set accidents to "Realistic"

You'll need to set up several trains to "work," you can't clean up the mess, there is a "Delete Train" command but it don't work for me.

I hate when wrecks happen.

Thanks A. W. for correct spelling, grammar & punctuation!
 
for some "game" is the thing. for me, and presumably at least SOME others, simulating the kind of world we "wouldbe, couldbe, shouldbe", or at least feel would more enjoyably RATHER be, living in, IS.

by all means, absolutely enjoy.

(i simply find creating and exploring to be what gratifies, and most of the other ways people "persue happiness" arn't)
 
themnax said:
for some "game" is the thing. for me, and presumably at least SOME others, simulating the kind of world we "wouldbe, couldbe, shouldbe", or at least feel would more enjoyably RATHER be, living in, IS.

by all means, absolutely enjoy.

(i simply find creating and exploring to be what gratifies, and most of the other ways people "persue happiness" arn't)
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This post is about as confusing as puberty. Did anyone else find puberty this confusing? Please. Good thankyou.

Spotty Bernie
 
AnusWillcrap said:
Trainz Classic 1st & 2nd Edition.

I'm in cab mode and I have realistic derail set in
startup.

I can go round 40mph bends at 110mph and I'm
stuck on track like super glue.

Are derail's actually graphicly depicted, or does some
thing just pop up and say ...ding dong Derailment! :D
Click to expand...


The Derailments aren't all that spectacular. The loads don't shift. the 100 ton cars just pop of the rails. No realism.
 
I think I get it now.!!

Trainz does not model over speed corner derailments.
It only models collision derailments. Well this is my
observation thus far.

This takes most of the fun out of playing in
Driver (cab) view, as one does not need to use realistic
throttle and brake actions to stay on the track.

My assumption is that this would be pretty hard to model
really successfully ..... e.g Microsoft Train Sim.:(

But most people just watch they're trains in action with
AI drivers don't they .......is this really what Trainz
is all about?

Don't worry folks....I should have a new user name soon:o
 
This new member's username DOES concern me.

I also have concerns when a new member's first posts are about replicating derailments and/or collisions

angelah said:
Okay, whoever this person is I admit they have chosen a rather silly username, but we do live in a free world and it is everybody's free choice to use whatever name they wish. I am sure the Mods would stamp on somebody if they felt a member had gone too far.
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Let's hope they do soon. Free world?? - um NO COMMENT!
Click on CodeOfConduct
10. Registering accounts with usernames or using screen names that are offensive or created with intent to cause disruption to the forums.
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Derailments in real life are ACCIDENTS, not done on purpose. To the new user, train simulators are suppose to simulate operations and train trips, not suppose to be used for deliberate derailments. But I must admit, I have done derailments on purpose for some information.

NOTE: Some (or a lot of) rail companies don't like their trains being shown in derailments and many have restrictions for makers and may (most likely have) denied permission, regarding simulator derailments, and some go so far that their trains must be shown in "good light" or similar wording.
 
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What if the derailments in the game were also accidents?

If i accidentally hit another train, they should collide instead of coupling up with no harm done. This hasn't happened to me, but this doesn't mean there shouldn't be the possibility.

It's the same thing in MS Flight Simulator. I've never crashed when flying seriously, but no way i would turn collision detection off.

On another note, it's not a free world in this case. It's a privately owned forum. If the people in charge said you aren't allowed to talk about bananas on penalty of a permanent ban, they'd have every right to ban you if you talked about bananas. Actually, they'd have every right to punish you for no reason at all, but it's not in anyone's best interests to do so. But it wouldn't be breaking any laws.
 
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derail

when I derail and there are red exclaimation marks above the derailed train, Is there a way to get the derailed train back on the track?
 
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