MW 261 Back in Green Bay?!?

[dpfan1]

Well, stop thinking that.

when looked about 261 it is going to be converted oil like READING 2100.

 

[zues]

when looked about 261 it is going to be converted oil like READING 2100.

Well if she is, atleast she will be runnin and not scraped. so be happy with what you got before it is gone.
oh btw you are DUM

 

[simulatortrain]

when looked about 261 it is going to be converted oil like READING 2100.

I believe you're thinking of 614, and the conversion of 2100 was a huge mistake. Oil burning fireboxes tend to be smaller than others, or at least no larger than a bituminous firebox if converted. 2100 can barely move itself.

 

[dpfan1]

I believe you're thinking of 614, and the conversion of 2100 was a huge mistake. Oil burning fireboxes tend to be smaller than others, or at least no larger than a bituminous firebox if converted. 2100 can barely move itself.

and speaking C&O 614 is it owned by ross rowland?

 

[simulatortrain]

and speaking C&O 614 is it owned by ross rowland?

Yes it is. He wants to do that Yellow Ribbon Express thing with it.

 

[dpfan1]

did ross rowland run other steam locmotives besides the 614?

 

[joneau]

did ross rowland run other steam locmotives besides the 614?

Ho boy, that has quite a long answer.

Let's see, he's reported to have started with Black River & Western #60.
Then when he started the "High Iron Co.", he ran with engines like CPR 1238, 1286, 1278 (then 127), and even #90 (which had quite a memorable trip, to say the least). These trips were mostly done on the Jersey Central Railroad.
Later on he used Reading 2102 and Nickel Plate 759 on these excursions, eventually leading to 759's use on the "Golden Spike Centennial".
This further culminated in the America Freedom Train, though Ross is the one responsible for restoring Reading 2101 in 30 days and arriving just in time to pull the AFT for its departure. (Though SP 4449 and T&P 610 also were restored for the train, these were under different efforts.)
The 2101 was later used on the Chessie Steam Special in the late 70's before a roundhouse fire severly damaged the engine. Chessie made a deal to swap 2101 for the C&O 614. Today, 2101 sits badly in need of new paint at the B&O Museum, but it is in AFT colors and still looking very patriotic.
The C&O 614 was restored for Chessie Steam Specials in 1981 and 1982. It pulled test runs for the ACE 3000 project in 1985, and pulled excursions out of Hoboken, NJ from 1996-1998. Today, it sits in Port Clinton, PA awaiting funding to be rebuilt, potentially for the "Yellow Ribbon Express" to show support for America's Troops.

Aside from all that, Ross is most often spotted running the New Hope & Ivyland #40. He is often reported for beating the engine apart. Let's face it: #40 certainly isn't a mainline engine

 

[dpfan1]

Ho boy, that has quite a long answer.

Let's see, he's reported to have started with Black River & Western #60.
Then when he started the "High Iron Co.", he ran with engines like CPR 1238, 1286, 1278 (then 127), and even #90 (which had quite a memorable trip, to say the least). These trips were mostly done on the Jersey Central Railroad.
Later on he used Reading 2102 and Nickel Plate 765 on these excursions, eventually leading to 759's use on the "Golden Spike Centennial".
This further culminated in the America Freedom Train, though Ross is the one responsible for restoring Reading 2101 in 30 days and arriving just in time to pull the AFT for its departure. (Though SP 4449 and T&P 610 also were restored for the train, these were under different efforts.)
The 2101 was later used on the Chessie Steam Special in the late 70's before a roundhouse fire severly damaged the engine. Chessie made a deal to swap 2101 for the C&O 614. Today, 2101 sits badly in need of new paint at the B&O Museum, but it is in AFT colors and still looking very patriotic.
The C&O 614 was restored for Chessie Steam Specials in 1981 and 1982. It pulled test runs for the ACE 3000 project in 1985, and pulled excursions out of Hoboken, NJ from 1996-1998. Today, it sits in Port Clinton, PA awaiting funding to be rebuilt, potentially for the "Yellow Ribbon Express" to show support for America's Troops.

Aside from all that, Ross is most often spotted running the New Hope & Ivyland #40. He is often reported for beating the engine apart. Let's face it: #40 certainly isn't a mainline engine

you mean ross rowland run STRASBURG 90?

 

[joneau]

you mean ross rowland run STRASBURG 90?

Wow. All that well written information for you to learn, and THAT'S all you took from it? That's rather demoralizing to me, man.

Anyway, yes, THAT 90: http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=215015&nseq=1

This was apparently #90's very first run after arriving from Colorado. This trip originally was supposed to use CP 1238 & 1286, but an emergency resulted in #90 and Steamtown's 127(8) pulling the train.

This first day ended in disaster, as many delays and bittercold temperatures made for a long trip. It eventually ended with one of #90's tender trucks actually coming apart, with the passengers bused back home at 3AM that morning.

The next day of trips is reported to have gone better, though.

By the way, the trips ran out of Jim Thrope, which now gets to see 425 stopping by every few months. So, from one major Fandumb Baldwin to another, apparently

 

[dpfan1]

so ross rowland is a steam legend like robert graham jr of the NS STEAM program.

 

[joneau]

so ross rowland is a steam legend like robert graham jr of the NS STEAM program.

Ahem... there were two of them. One of them was William Graham Claytor Jr., and the other was Robert Claytor. And you claim to know about modern steam programs...

Ross Rowland would be considered a Steam Legend... except he isn't a steam engine. He's a person :hehe:

In seriousness, yes he would be considered a Legend for Modern Steam. It was people like him who helped to save steam, restore it, and operating them on tourist lines and excursions. Even the ones saved in museums deserve a lot of credit too. I would try to list their names, but it would take several weeks to give them all justice

 

[dpfan1]

i wonder why he send the 614 to the new hope and ivyland then strasburg?

 

[joneau]

i wonder why he send the 614 to the new hope and ivyland then strasburg?

You really want to keep bringing this up?

I should point out, 614 was REBUILT at New Hope. They didn't need Strasburg to do it. Seriously. Just use some general logic for this one

 

[dpfan1]

You really want to keep bringing this up?

I should point out, 614 was REBUILT at New Hope. They didn't need Strasburg to do it. Seriously. Just use some general logic for this one

but why? was because the coal strasburg locomotives burn?

 

[mikeman]

i wonder why he send the 614 to the new hope and ivyland then strasburg?

I wonder why you hijacked my thread on the 261 to discuss all kinds of other Steam locomotives?

 

[dpfan1]

I wonder why you hijacked my thread on the 261 to discuss all kinds of other Steam locomotives?

hey the 261 was legend of steam.

 

[joneau]

but why? was because the coal strasburg locomotives burn?

Mikeman. dpfan1 doesn't understand the concept of "Topics". From what I can see, he treats this thread like his own personal IM chat. Except most people on IM have better spelling skills.

dpfan1, I'm really getting tired of explaining that not every steam engine in the United States goes to Strasburg to be restored. Other places have the ability to help rebuild steam engines.

So why did Ross send the 614 to New Hope? It was closer to Hoboken, NJ for the excursions, he probably knows people there, it had more trackage to test the engine on, he probably lives closer to New Hope, and the most important: they had the best rate to allow him to rebuild the 614.

It makes no difference anyway. This is not 1361 that is in the middle of rebuild, this is the 614 that WAS rebuilt. This is very pointless to argue about something that DID happen instead of something that IS happening

 

[brian1993]

Right, here comes my attempt to rerail the thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBy_AR6LeKs This is my first sighting of this favored locomotive, as well as my first sighting of a mainline steam locomotive, alive. The description reads here:

In June of 2006, I had the privilege of seeing the first mainline superpower steam locomotive I'd ever seen, Milwaukee Road S-3 4-8-4 no. 261. This was an awesome sight to behold, and it would've been more awesome if we were able to chase it to Milwaukee, but couldn't due to a fuel pump problem in the car we were in. My 13 year old self was convienced that someday, I would see the 261 alive in steam again.

In October of 2009, my 16 year old self was informed of a conflict between the Friends of the 261 and the National Railway Museum. The engine's 15-year lease was due to expire soon, and the head honcho of the group, Steve Sandberg, tried to negotiate with the NRM to extend the lease, but to no avail. Now sources say that 261 is slated to be stuffed and mounted inside The Great Hall along with Big Boy 4017, GG1 4890 and A4 60008 Dwight D. Eisenhower. The 261 is one of America's best renowned steam locomotives, and has run several successful first class excursions in partership with Amtrak and Canadian Pacific over the course of its fifteen year lease. Sandberg and The Friends of the 261 are a credit to the railfanning world. I wish them well, and godspeed to them, as well as extend my personal thank you for fifteen years worth of a top-notch excursion career in the American Midwest.


P.S. Don't bother trying to ignore the shaky camerawork. I didn't own a tripod then and I was shifting my attention back and forth between the camerawork and seeing the actual engine.

Plus the thing about it going into the Great Hall may be off. But I hope it goes in there.

 

[dpfan1]

Wow. All that well written information for you to learn, and THAT'S all you took from it? That's rather demoralizing to me, man.

Anyway, yes, THAT 90: http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=215015&nseq=1

This was apparently #90's very first run after arriving from Colorado. This trip originally was supposed to use CP 1238 & 1286, but an emergency resulted in #90 and Steamtown's 127(8) pulling the train.

This first day ended in disaster, as many delays and bittercold temperatures made for a long trip. It eventually ended with one of #90's tender trucks actually coming apart, with the passengers bused back home at 3AM that morning.

The next day of trips is reported to have gone better, though.

By the way, the trips ran out of Jim Thrope, which now gets to see 425 stopping by every few months. So, from one major Fandumb Baldwin to another, apparently

i thought 90 frist run after leaveing
colorado was strasburg?

 

[whistlehead]

Let's face it, you think EVERYTHING was strasburg.

Lots of people here are being kind and patient with you, but if you could please try to listen to them in return that would be much appreciated, I'm sure.

Chris :wave: