TorenHynes
The Maple Leaf Forever
Trains are dangerous things if you hit them. That was brave of you PereMarquette!
Look, Listen, LIVE!!!!
- Thread starter Klinger
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PereMarquette1225fan
Active member
Thank you. I can't even use words to describe how scary it was. I mean, we were picking up speed after Amtrak passed us with some E-units and we were now accelerating to get up to track speed and the girl eventually told Santa Fe Police, that it was her father's idea to beat the train and as I've said over the years, don't race the train. It's a bad idea and most people listen to me.
cascaderailroad
New member
Ohhh Riiiiiiiiily now ... inventing this bravery thingy all up ? If I remember correctly you previously said you were 19 or 20 y/o (under an abandoned old screen name: Alex99al).
A true life RR story from 1978, and figure 20 additional years (the minimum age of engineers) would make you born in @ 1958...something is odd about the math.
Or was it 16 y/o ? http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showpost.php?p=596270&postcount=81
Fiery fatal RR/automoble collisions are nothing to joke about, nor concoct fictional stories thereabout.
Several of your: "Once I was riding along with a "Train Crew" outlandish stories, have obvious inconsistancies, and elaborations of truth.
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TorenHynes
The Maple Leaf Forever
Being that dummy pays for itself! It really must have been scary to hit somebody. You sent me a private message describing another collision you witnessed, and that was just as scary. Two collisions in a lifetime is plenty and I hope that you won't hit anybody ever again.
Read cascaderailroad's post above. He's lying to you.
picture: you most likely missed the word "again" from the end of that sentence.
Look what just appeared in my RSS feeds: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10920062 I always feel sorry for the drivers.
Off topic (but will anyone notice, this topics hardly on-topic at all): over here in the UK we had that slogan for road safety when I was growing up- With Hedgehogs!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NM0w1qr4Bc&feature=related
my personal favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hplRpOdOXE&feature=related
Regards,
Phil
Look what just appeared in my RSS feeds: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10920062 I always feel sorry for the drivers.
Off topic (but will anyone notice, this topics hardly on-topic at all): over here in the UK we had that slogan for road safety when I was growing up- With Hedgehogs!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NM0w1qr4Bc&feature=related
my personal favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hplRpOdOXE&feature=related
Regards,
Phil
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Sigh.....another perfectly good thread destroyed by a bunch of kids trying to act like they are more knowledgeable then they actually are.....
I may only be 21....but I at least have real world experience (between museums and work).
If you have never actually operated some sort of train, there is no reason for you to lie and say you have. Be who you really are, not who you wish you were. And if your only 16, you have plenty of time ahead to get involved with railroading, but that's no reason to lie about some as serious as people dying in crossing accidents. Crap like that changes you, and you would never honestly be able to openly talk about it without becoming emotional. I have had 2 close call's in 3 years, and I constantly think about what might have happened. Its a haunting thing that never goes away, its no joke.
So please, give some respect.
I may only be 21....but I at least have real world experience (between museums and work).
If you have never actually operated some sort of train, there is no reason for you to lie and say you have. Be who you really are, not who you wish you were. And if your only 16, you have plenty of time ahead to get involved with railroading, but that's no reason to lie about some as serious as people dying in crossing accidents. Crap like that changes you, and you would never honestly be able to openly talk about it without becoming emotional. I have had 2 close call's in 3 years, and I constantly think about what might have happened. Its a haunting thing that never goes away, its no joke.
So please, give some respect.
ZecMurphy
Community Assistant
Hi All
I would ask that all please stay on topic.
The issue of safety around railways (both for the public, and for staff) is a serious one, and should not be taken lightly.
A train of ANY size (ok, so smaller than 5in gauge may just cause 'small' injury, since they are relatively small, but that's not the point) can be dangerous.
Granted, a 7 1/4in gauge loco may not be able to kill a by-stander in many cases, but if that loco ends up on it's side because it hit you, it could very well injure the driver (and possibly kill him).
An example of this is the ROMNEY HYTHE AND DYMCHURCH RAILWAY in the UK, which runs 15in gauge steam and diesel locos on what is effectively a 'mainline' type setting, running between the three towns that it takes it's name from. This involves a number of level crossings, on which there have been a number of accidents where trains have hit cars. In two of these incidents, the loco drivers have been killed.
These trains are heavy, and are not toys. They may be small/scale locos, but they most certainly are not toys. And they can cause serious injury.
For those who will ask, I have driven a loco under supervision, at my local railway museum (where I do volunteer fortnightly). This is a 'small' 0-6-0DM cane loco, on 2ft gauge. However, using the loco's air brake is not a quick thing, and thats running light engine at only a few KM/H (5KM/H if I remember right). That took about 10m to stop from memory. If you go faster, it will of course take further to stop. With a train load of people, further again (albeit if you have train brakes, this will even it out a little, but you will still take a fair distance to stop).
Please also remember that, ever loco driver (and fireman, and the witnesses, etc) has to live with every near miss (and 'hit'). This stays with them for the rest of their lives. Of the loco crews that I do know, most still react to near misses, and hits, that they hear about (or see on TV). For their sake, as well yours, please be careful when near railway tracks, of any size.
And remember, do not enter the right of way unless required to do so (e.g. crossing at a level crossing). Entering the right of way is illegal (in most locations), and is dangerous.
I would ask that all please stay on topic.
The issue of safety around railways (both for the public, and for staff) is a serious one, and should not be taken lightly.
A train of ANY size (ok, so smaller than 5in gauge may just cause 'small' injury, since they are relatively small, but that's not the point) can be dangerous.
Granted, a 7 1/4in gauge loco may not be able to kill a by-stander in many cases, but if that loco ends up on it's side because it hit you, it could very well injure the driver (and possibly kill him).
An example of this is the ROMNEY HYTHE AND DYMCHURCH RAILWAY in the UK, which runs 15in gauge steam and diesel locos on what is effectively a 'mainline' type setting, running between the three towns that it takes it's name from. This involves a number of level crossings, on which there have been a number of accidents where trains have hit cars. In two of these incidents, the loco drivers have been killed.
These trains are heavy, and are not toys. They may be small/scale locos, but they most certainly are not toys. And they can cause serious injury.
For those who will ask, I have driven a loco under supervision, at my local railway museum (where I do volunteer fortnightly). This is a 'small' 0-6-0DM cane loco, on 2ft gauge. However, using the loco's air brake is not a quick thing, and thats running light engine at only a few KM/H (5KM/H if I remember right). That took about 10m to stop from memory. If you go faster, it will of course take further to stop. With a train load of people, further again (albeit if you have train brakes, this will even it out a little, but you will still take a fair distance to stop).
Please also remember that, ever loco driver (and fireman, and the witnesses, etc) has to live with every near miss (and 'hit'). This stays with them for the rest of their lives. Of the loco crews that I do know, most still react to near misses, and hits, that they hear about (or see on TV). For their sake, as well yours, please be careful when near railway tracks, of any size.
And remember, do not enter the right of way unless required to do so (e.g. crossing at a level crossing). Entering the right of way is illegal (in most locations), and is dangerous.
TorenHynes
The Maple Leaf Forever
Anything bigger than a toy is dangerous.
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That's not really funny, I take offense to that as I model G scale. I have been at a railyard and have been told to stay behind the yellow line and that company hasn't had an accident for ten years.
At the Sydney Tramway Museum (where I used to volunteer), there is a single track crossing on the Princes Highway. It has bells and lights (but no gates), and even after they are going for a few minutes, cars would still cross the tracks.
Those people are lucky its not a mainline crossing.
Those people are lucky its not a mainline crossing.
D9007_Pinza
Murringo's shed foreman
Klinger, All I can say is that thankfully, no-one was injured in this incident and I hope you never have to lay witness to such an event again.
I have never witnessed a fatal accident involving trains, but I have seen a b****y close one and some extremely stupid actions by people around the rail corridor while I have been out photographing trains around Moss Vale, NSW.
1: In 2008, I was at the crossing where a residential road crosses the single track secondary line from Moss Vale to Unanderra as a loaded export coal train hauled by a pair of 82 class diesels with between 40-50? loaded hoppers, each grossing 100 tons; and this girl only 16 or 17 years old on her learner's license drives out in front of the train (at this point only a few car lengths from her side of the crossing and running at maybe 20-30 km/h. The corner of the pilot misses the rear of the car by a very small margin and it's plain to see the driver of the 82 had all wits scared out of him. What suprised me most is that the woman supervising the girl as per the provisions of a learner license (probably in her late 30s-early 40s) did not seem make any move to tell the girl to stop, nor did either pay any heed to the flashing lights and bells at the crossing, or the extremely obvious freight train that had right of way at the crossing.
For those not familiar with NSW driver's licensing, at 16 years old a person is able to obtain their learner's license which they have to log 120 hours of driving including at night with a fully licensed driver supervising them, and then have to spend 2 years on a provisional license and a further year on another, less restricted, provisional license before getting their full license.
2: On the 5/10/2008, I was photographing 3830, a 192 ton pacific type steam loco on a tour to Moss Vale. While 3830 and her crew were busying themselves with shunting and prepping the loco for the return, I noticed a man probably in his mid to late 40s jump off the platform, retrieve a bottle of lemonade and give it to a boy (who I presume is his son) after pulling himself back onto the platform, all this done without even looking to see if a train was coming
Having said this, I have seen some parents, grandparents, etc who were very aware of and acted very appropriately in ensuring the safety of their children. While the passengers from 3830's train were waiting on the opposite platform for 3830 to shunt the train for them to board, ARTC's Junee control centre decided to pass a southbound wheat train through the platform ahead of 3830. One pair of children were running about very close to the yellow line on the platform edge, not the appropriate action, on the kids part or their guardian's part for allowing them to play so close to the edge of the platform. In contrast, every other adult with a young child/children made a direct effort to ensure they behaved appropriately. When I heard the freight train approaching I went over to these two children and told them that there was a train coming and to get back from the edge and they ignored me; however their mother obviously heard me and took her kids back from the edge and held their hands. Every other parent/caretaker did a similar thing and all moved back a good 1 1/2 metres from the edge.
So as you can see, while there are far too many people who are stupid enough to not show care around the rail corridors, there are many who do take care.
My 2 cents.
Evan.
I have never witnessed a fatal accident involving trains, but I have seen a b****y close one and some extremely stupid actions by people around the rail corridor while I have been out photographing trains around Moss Vale, NSW.
1: In 2008, I was at the crossing where a residential road crosses the single track secondary line from Moss Vale to Unanderra as a loaded export coal train hauled by a pair of 82 class diesels with between 40-50? loaded hoppers, each grossing 100 tons; and this girl only 16 or 17 years old on her learner's license drives out in front of the train (at this point only a few car lengths from her side of the crossing and running at maybe 20-30 km/h. The corner of the pilot misses the rear of the car by a very small margin and it's plain to see the driver of the 82 had all wits scared out of him.
What suprised me most is that the woman supervising the girl as per the provisions of a learner license (probably in her late 30s-early 40s) did not seem make any move to tell the girl to stop, nor did either pay any heed to the flashing lights and bells at the crossing, or the extremely obvious freight train that had right of way at the crossing.For those not familiar with NSW driver's licensing, at 16 years old a person is able to obtain their learner's license which they have to log 120 hours of driving including at night with a fully licensed driver supervising them, and then have to spend 2 years on a provisional license and a further year on another, less restricted, provisional license before getting their full license.
2: On the 5/10/2008, I was photographing 3830, a 192 ton pacific type steam loco on a tour to Moss Vale. While 3830 and her crew were busying themselves with shunting and prepping the loco for the return, I noticed a man probably in his mid to late 40s jump off the platform, retrieve a bottle of lemonade and give it to a boy (who I presume is his son) after pulling himself back onto the platform, all this done without even looking to see if a train was coming
Having said this, I have seen some parents, grandparents, etc who were very aware of and acted very appropriately in ensuring the safety of their children. While the passengers from 3830's train were waiting on the opposite platform for 3830 to shunt the train for them to board, ARTC's Junee control centre decided to pass a southbound wheat train through the platform ahead of 3830. One pair of children were running about very close to the yellow line on the platform edge, not the appropriate action, on the kids part or their guardian's part for allowing them to play so close to the edge of the platform. In contrast, every other adult with a young child/children made a direct effort to ensure they behaved appropriately. When I heard the freight train approaching I went over to these two children and told them that there was a train coming and to get back from the edge and they ignored me; however their mother obviously heard me and took her kids back from the edge and held their hands. Every other parent/caretaker did a similar thing and all moved back a good 1 1/2 metres from the edge.
So as you can see, while there are far too many people who are stupid enough to not show care around the rail corridors, there are many who do take care.
My 2 cents.
Evan.
that's really a " Sigh- why put the Emergency brake on its not like we can stop the train on a dime to save this person"
TorenHynes
The Maple Leaf Forever
Ok, how many scales of model trains are there?
Two collisions in a life time is two many. (Get the pun?)
Two collisions in a life time is two many. (Get the pun?)
D9007_Pinza
Murringo's shed foreman
I think what evan123 posted was more intended to say that freight train at main line speed can't stop quickly in any circumstances, and for that matter, even a passenger train, so don't run/drive out into their path.
MadmanSurveyorAddict
New member
Complete and utter stupidity. I really can't believe that despite the many train accidents involving people/cars that happen every year, most if not all of which are publicised, nobody seems to understand that trying to beat the train will throw you in hospital if it doesn't put you six feet under.
When I first started out driving on a little tourist railway, 15inch gauge, I was on the diesels. They've got two diesels, one little red one, like a small Davenport. Another is much larger and longer, painted grey. She's a devil to stop sometimes, and the engine is sometimes difficult to start.
Anyway, I've had trouble on both these locomotives involving near misses.
First one was in the red diesel locomotive, number 5. I was driving along sometime in summer on the second to last train of the day. The train had around twenty passengers on board. Near one of the stations, there is a lock gate to stop flooding. One side of the lock gate is accessible via a park, the other accessible via a seaside path. There was a boy of about 12 on the park side of the lock gate, who decided he wanted to be on the other side. So instead of doing the normal thing and leaving the park, going behind the station and then onto the seaside path, he tried to jump it.
I was coming round the corner at about 7mph, slowly speeding up from the previous stop, when I saw him in mid air. His front wheel hit the edge of the other side, bounced him off, and knocked him to the rails. I had to slam the brakes on and close the throttle as quick as I could, because I was very near before I saw him. He had lots of grazes, bruises, and was bleeding from many of them. I radioed down to the station who sent the first aider and called an ambulance. Members of the public on the train got out and helped, while the guard went to sort out access for the ambulance when it arrived.
Luckily the little boy survived, didn't have anything broken or lost (apart from a single tooth). That really was lucky.
The second was also involving a boy on a bike, around the same age too. He was cycling along the seaside path not far from the lock gate, when I came round the corner in number 7 (grey diesel) at full whack (that's around 12-14mph). The boy went too close to the fence, hit it, went A-over-T onto his back, his head on the rails. I pulled on the horn chain, shut off the throttle and applied the emergency brakes as quick as possible. I knew I could have killed that boy if I wasn't quick enough. That really is haunting.
Those are true stories, and they were, to me, horrifying. I could have killed either of those silly boys and the very thought of it sends a shiver down my spine.
I just wish people would realise the serious danger.
When I first started out driving on a little tourist railway, 15inch gauge, I was on the diesels. They've got two diesels, one little red one, like a small Davenport. Another is much larger and longer, painted grey. She's a devil to stop sometimes, and the engine is sometimes difficult to start.
Anyway, I've had trouble on both these locomotives involving near misses.
First one was in the red diesel locomotive, number 5. I was driving along sometime in summer on the second to last train of the day. The train had around twenty passengers on board. Near one of the stations, there is a lock gate to stop flooding. One side of the lock gate is accessible via a park, the other accessible via a seaside path. There was a boy of about 12 on the park side of the lock gate, who decided he wanted to be on the other side. So instead of doing the normal thing and leaving the park, going behind the station and then onto the seaside path, he tried to jump it.
I was coming round the corner at about 7mph, slowly speeding up from the previous stop, when I saw him in mid air. His front wheel hit the edge of the other side, bounced him off, and knocked him to the rails. I had to slam the brakes on and close the throttle as quick as I could, because I was very near before I saw him. He had lots of grazes, bruises, and was bleeding from many of them. I radioed down to the station who sent the first aider and called an ambulance. Members of the public on the train got out and helped, while the guard went to sort out access for the ambulance when it arrived.
Luckily the little boy survived, didn't have anything broken or lost (apart from a single tooth). That really was lucky.
The second was also involving a boy on a bike, around the same age too. He was cycling along the seaside path not far from the lock gate, when I came round the corner in number 7 (grey diesel) at full whack (that's around 12-14mph). The boy went too close to the fence, hit it, went A-over-T onto his back, his head on the rails. I pulled on the horn chain, shut off the throttle and applied the emergency brakes as quick as possible. I knew I could have killed that boy if I wasn't quick enough. That really is haunting.
Those are true stories, and they were, to me, horrifying. I could have killed either of those silly boys and the very thought of it sends a shiver down my spine.
I just wish people would realise the serious danger.
cascaderailroad
New member
Sounds just like, another, set of previous horror stories, with a remarkably similar style, of near miss's, posted here, where an "operator" has had one too many close calls, for comfort !
Where exactly is this: "little tourist railway, 15inch gauge, with a seaside path not far from the lock gate" ? I would like to look it up on Google Earth.
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MadmanSurveyorAddict
New member
Huh?
He wants to validate your story.