Junction Bug

[jfike]

New to TS2012 and not much experience with TS2006. In Surveyor, I wanted to set my junctions to default positions, so I went to the mini map and changed one. Then I tried to save the route, and I got a "nothing has changed" message.

Is this a bug, because something was surely changed? Next I tried "Save as" and it recorded the new junction position.

 

[Jananton]

Hmm, no bug I think. The way to set junktions in surveyor is to use the little button in the track / trackside objects flyout menu. I don't know by heart wich one it is, but its face looks like a little three legged fork. Click on that and then on the switch(es) green-red arrows that you want to set to a different direction.

Greetings from nighttime Amsterdam,

Jan

 

[Enkidoh]

I'm not totally sure, but I have a feeling junction direction in 2010/2012 is saved in the Session layer by default, not the Route layer, hence why when you try to save it after changing a junction's direction under the 'save' function in Surveyor it's saying the route is 'unchanged'.

You could try merging any session layers into the Route layer and then try saving again and see if that solves the problem, (I have a similar issue with stryker's West Australian level crossings not saving function changes in the Route layer also, which is frustrating - I'm finding the whole Layer thing to be more trouble than it's worth personally).

 

[jfike]

That seems odd. If I make a change on the mini map and want it retained, I have to save the route or it is lost (if not saved.)

The manual goes through an explanation on how to change the junctions in Surveyor using the mini map. Not sure which icon you are referring to.

 

[Enkidoh]

Janaton's description is right - to change junction direction in Surveyor, click on the 'Track' tab on the side menu, and then the 'Trackside Objects' button (the button at the top with a crossing signal on it). At the bottom of the window is three buttons - click on the centre one that looks like a track map/tree with three branches (I think it's called 'Change Junction Direction').

Then simply move the cursor to the required junction (you should notice when you pass over a junction the green/red arrows above should flash -when it's flashing click it to change to the desired direction). Once you're done simply click on the 'Change Junction' button in Trackside Objects again to get out of that function.

Hopefully this has helped.

 

[sniper297]

What I've found to work consistently;

1. Select the session, click Edit Session.
2. Open the track tool and select the trackside objects tab.
3. Set the junction(s) to the desired direction.
4. Open the trains tab, select the Move Train tool, move the player train (or any other train) slightly.

Now you made changes to the route and the session, so it will default to overwrite both if you just click "Save" instead of "Save As". Other existing sessions won't be affected by that, since the junction direction is stored in the route layer, but the information about junction direction is also copied into each session whenever both route and session are saved.

I don't advise merging the session layer into the route layer since that gives you whatever trains are sitting on the tracks at the time in every session you create after that.

 

[jfike]

I agree it can be done another way, but..

I go to mini map and change a junction and do a "save as" and the new junction state is saved (quit and reload to check it.) However, if I go to mini map and make the junction change and do a "Save", I get the "no changes were made to the route." If I exit and reload the route, the junction is in the previous state. But there was a change and using the "Save as" proves it. So why isn't that a bug?

 

[Jananton]

Hmm, at what page of the manual you see that changing junction direction on the minimap is possible in surveyor? The only reference I can find of setting them on the 2D map is for operations in driver mode.

Greetings from sunny Amsterdam,

Jan

 

[jfike]

Hmm, at what page of the manual you see that changing junction direction on the minimap is possible in surveyor? The only reference I can find of setting them on the 2D map is for operations in driver mode.

Greetings from sunny Amsterdam,

Jan

It's on page 158.

 

[cascaderailroad]

You have to go in Surveyor and change the Switch Direction button in Trackside tab.

Changing on the minimap only changes the session, but not the base route.

 

[Jananton]

It's on page 158.

Hmm, missed that somehow. All in all however, I think the safest way is to use the button in the trackside objects window.
If it works the way cascaderailroad describes it's either an oversight in the manual not mentioning this is for sessions only, or indeed it's a bug in the saving system, because the save session dialog doesn't come up.

Btw @cascaderailroad, how's summer on Antarctica these days.

Greetings from cloudy Amsterdam,

Jan

 

[cascaderailroad]

Summer in Antarctica is generally hovering slightly above, or just below freezing in outlying coastal bases ... in the great interior bases the summertime temps are still @ -20 F.

Summer lasts only a few months ... and winter is horrid and dark most of the time ! 1978 -127 F, 229 wind speed.

It very rarely snows in Antarctica, and the snow blowing around is tens of thousands of years old.

Blowing snow and blowing ice crystals can sand blast your exposed skin right off !
http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/image.php?&aid=1346&antarctica-rocket-assisted-take-off.jpg <--- JATO
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With switch junctions, I have been re-naming all of mine: ' as a comma is less obtrussive. And AI Trainz seem to get along nicely without all the longwinded junction names ... and instead use: Drive Via, and Drive To commands to named Trackmarkers.

 

[Jananton]

Well, that sounds as an even more hostile environment one would imagine. Some interesting numbers and tidbits there.

As an occasional armchair aviator I can appreciate the picture. Must have been a very high shutterspeed to stop the props like that only showing their vortex as evidence of rotation. :hehe:

Oh well, back to topic....

Greetings from sunny Amsterdam,

Jan