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The simple fact that the reactors haven't melted down yet is showing they're doing something right. I still have problems with how they're handling the situation though...the government isn't exactly forthcoming, but i can understand that as the situation is more than a bit embarrassing. However, what bothers me is that they evac'd all but 50 of the 800 workers at the place. I know that at Chernobyl when No. 4 blew its top every man there threw themselves into, quite literally, the fires of hell to extinguish the inferno and throw the fuel thrown atop the plant back into the reactor...or more correctly the hole where the reactor once was...so they could entomb it all. hundreds, if not thousands, got lethal doses of radiation because of it. I know this will sound morbid, but the men at these plants know and have to be ready to sacrifice themselves to prevent a reactor from going Chernobyl, especially in Japan. Everyone is packed in so close, that if even one of the reactors blew the contamination could kill hundreds of thousands.
A good example of self sacrifice is the Russian Submarine K-19. I won't go into specifics, but in an overview, the cooling system for one of the reactors failed, and to save their ship from melting down, the crew donned chemical protection suits...not NUCLEAR protection suits, but chemical ones, which wouldn't protect them...and entered the reactor itself, essentially stepping through the protal into hell. They rigged a system to carry fresh water from the ship's drinking water supply to cool the reactor, and in the process gave themselves a lethal dose of radiation every second. then it failed again, and the reactor officer himself went in twice to fix it.
Now, i fear it may come to that in Japan, and they need to be ready. I wouldn't wish that fate on my worst enemy, but if it comes down to it, then that's what it has to be. one life traded for hundreds of thousands. which would you pick?
and before you ask, I know I don't have the strength to walk into a reactor. Whoever would dare to do so is a greater man than me. perhaps a greater man than many of us.
A good example of self sacrifice is the Russian Submarine K-19. I won't go into specifics, but in an overview, the cooling system for one of the reactors failed, and to save their ship from melting down, the crew donned chemical protection suits...not NUCLEAR protection suits, but chemical ones, which wouldn't protect them...and entered the reactor itself, essentially stepping through the protal into hell. They rigged a system to carry fresh water from the ship's drinking water supply to cool the reactor, and in the process gave themselves a lethal dose of radiation every second. then it failed again, and the reactor officer himself went in twice to fix it.
Now, i fear it may come to that in Japan, and they need to be ready. I wouldn't wish that fate on my worst enemy, but if it comes down to it, then that's what it has to be. one life traded for hundreds of thousands. which would you pick?
and before you ask, I know I don't have the strength to walk into a reactor. Whoever would dare to do so is a greater man than me. perhaps a greater man than many of us.
jadebullet
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Hey, remember grammar, and spelling? Most of us learned it in school. You can't make a scientific argument when your grammar is that horrible.
Anyway, yes the first 4 planets in the solar system are warming up. This is due to sunspot activity. Earth is warming up a little faster than the others. Fossil fuel burning is probably the cause of this, as our magnetic field should be dissipating part of it, with the ice caps reflecting another major portion of it. (As well as the reflection off of the oceans.) Technically, we should be warming up slower. Come on people. We know that Mars used to have an atmosphere and water. Its weak magnetic field cause the sun to strip it of the first, and then the second when the planet became cold. (volcanic activity stopped, the core essentially settling down and eruptions stopping.) Why do you think that the best plan of action when it comes to colonizing the Red Planet is to set up very polluting industries on there in order to create a greenhouse effect and create an atmosphere?
As for friction between the solar system and the galactic center "black hole," yeah, no. Just no. 1) The galactic center is not a black hole as far as we know. We really aren't sure what it is, but it is much to strong to be a black hole. 2) Friction is formed when two particles rub against each other. Space is pretty sparse when it comes to particles. Hell, it is only as warm as it is because of residue from the big bang. (And trust me, it isn't warm.) Friction would not be able to work on such a long distance because there isn't really anything rubbing together. Plus, if there was enough heat to cause warming in our solar system, the center of the galaxy would be on flames. 3) Friction is not responsible for earthquakes and volcanoes. The earthquakes are caused by tectonic plates shifting. As far as we have found, Earth is the only planet with tectonic plates. Volcanos are just part of the mantle venting out of the crust. This happens because of the pressure that gravity puts upon the earth, crushing it from the outside in. Venus has the most volcanoes, due to its high gravity. (Though these are flat, pancake volcanoes.)
As for them causing greenhouse gasses being released by volcanoes, you are partially correct. It is more gasses released by the last 3 major eruptions. But really, that means nothing. You could say the last 6000 years and you would probably be correct. Remember, the industrial revolution started in the 1800s. Before that there wasn't that much pollution. Doesn't really matter though. Just because something releases more doesn't mean that we aren't having an effect. It just stacks onto it. And yeah, Volcanic activity helps create an atmosphere with the CO2.
As for the magnetic poles, they are caused by our fast rotation. It isn't really electricity, just like a magnet doesn't give off electricity. You can't really harvest it. Plus it is what is keeping our planet inhabitable. Hell, if it wasn't so strong, we would have died in 1998 when a massive magnetar cracked across the galaxy. The wave reached 30 miles above the earth before being dissipated. If it would have reached the surface, it would have fried every electric device on the planet... and pulled the iron from our blood.
There is free energy available in wind, solar, and ocean current. Plus, there is Anthracite, the only truly clean coal.
There is a difference between the Pripyat reactor and the Japanese reactors, as well as the circumstances. Chances are, you won't see a massive explosion of the core like in the Pripyat reactor, which was made differently than the Russian style. What is going on is similar to the 3 Mile Island disaster, only much, much more advanced. From what I remember when learning about these types of reactors in science, the worse case scenario isn't an explosion, but the rods melting(as they are doing) and burning out the containment core, and melting into the earth towards the core of the planet. You will have a much smaller highly irradiated zone, without the radioactive dust. Essentially, you will have Chernobyl post explosion, but before it was extinguished.
As for the people who put out the Pripyat reactor, a lot of them were either prisoners or soldiers. All but one died. There was even a helicopter crash that claimed all on board. The radiation was much higher as well. The 50 employees at the Japanese reactors now are there voluntarily. I also don't think that they are going into the reactor itself, but other parts of the plant.(you don't put things to fix a meltdown at the epicenter of the disaster.) Still, they are getting radiation.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the survivors of this horrible disaster. By the way, Alaska and California are probably next if the past is any indication.
Also, Japan built these reactors because they have no natural resources of their own. It just makes sense that they would build them.
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well now you must be so much better than me with your grammer ,i don't try and never have tried to faise myself above my fellow man,
my grammer is from a lack of eduction as i had to under go many operation through the first 18 years of my life ,
if my grammer afends you so to would my face from all of these operation ,
so i am so glad that you found it within yourself to correct the best i can do
thank you jadebullet
i will try to conform to your standards next time i am born
god bless you jadebullet
steve123
my grammer is from a lack of eduction as i had to under go many operation through the first 18 years of my life ,
if my grammer afends you so to would my face from all of these operation ,
so i am so glad that you found it within yourself to correct the best i can do
thank you jadebullet
i will try to conform to your standards next time i am born
god bless you jadebullet
steve123
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Sorry Alex, we know nothing for sure. We have no data on other planets for the last 100 years and ours is a guess. As far as ice packs, there is growth in some Antarctic ice floes scientists can't explain. Global warming is happening but as you say, it's happening on other planets due to solar activity. To say it's man made is a stretch, hard to believe my Ford pollutes Venus.
The current cap and trade game is nothing more than a wealth redistribution scheme. NASA, the agency everyone relies on, states problems with where temperature monitoring are located here. They are just starting to explore the other planets.
Everything is merely a guess. When a Martian lands and says we are right, I'll believe it. Until then, most science is skewed towards who is giving them funding. We had nine planets until someone's grant came due. Still arguing that call in some places.
Not enough info on what caused the last ice age (don't think T-Rex in his SUV did it), to be certain. Without solid evidence, it's all politics and the all mighty dollar.
The current cap and trade game is nothing more than a wealth redistribution scheme. NASA, the agency everyone relies on, states problems with where temperature monitoring are located here. They are just starting to explore the other planets.
Everything is merely a guess. When a Martian lands and says we are right, I'll believe it. Until then, most science is skewed towards who is giving them funding. We had nine planets until someone's grant came due. Still arguing that call in some places.
Not enough info on what caused the last ice age (don't think T-Rex in his SUV did it), to be certain. Without solid evidence, it's all politics and the all mighty dollar.
jadebullet
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Yes, most of it is just theories, but CO2 in the atmosphere has gone up significantly in the last 50 years, and CO2 does cause a greenhouse effect. To say that we aren't having an effect is pretty ignorant, as everything has an effect on the planet. It is just to what degree.
As for the dinos, it is pretty widly believed that it was a meteor. It has lots of evidence to back it up.
Oh, and I am glad that the SUV is a dying breed. Maybe then I could see when I pull ou onto a street with parked cars.
As for the dinos, it is pretty widly believed that it was a meteor. It has lots of evidence to back it up.
Oh, and I am glad that the SUV is a dying breed. Maybe then I could see when I pull ou onto a street with parked cars.
I haven't read all of this, I just read the first few posts and I would like to say global warming does not exist, now nor never. I say sure lets recycle because its keeps trash out of the landfills. However there are several proven reasons as to why global warming doesn't exist:
The earth goes in and out of warming and cooling trends. In the 50s and 60s the world was worried about global cooling, and now we are worried about global warming. We are actually on the back swing of the "global warming" everyone is afraid of. NASA's Jet Propulsion Labratory has measured that between the 1 January 2010 and 31 December 2010, the average tempurature of the earth dropped .84 degrees and when the statistics is done, .84 is considered statistically significant, meaning beyond the element of chance.
This thing about the hole in the ozone expanding is a bold face lie: the hole expands and contracts just as our lungs go in and out as we breath. Again, NASA's Jet Propulsion Labratory which has been monitoring the holes in the ozone notices these contractions and expansions. There is no known cause of this phenomenon.
Now lets talk about burning fossil fuels creates to much CO2 (I hope I don't have to explain what CO2 is.) It has been well known and documented that roughly 80% of all CO2 in the air is leftover from the original volcanos during the creation of the earth. That other 20% is what is recycled to the plants and what we exhale.
Global Warming does not exist. Period.
The earth goes in and out of warming and cooling trends. In the 50s and 60s the world was worried about global cooling, and now we are worried about global warming. We are actually on the back swing of the "global warming" everyone is afraid of. NASA's Jet Propulsion Labratory has measured that between the 1 January 2010 and 31 December 2010, the average tempurature of the earth dropped .84 degrees and when the statistics is done, .84 is considered statistically significant, meaning beyond the element of chance.
This thing about the hole in the ozone expanding is a bold face lie: the hole expands and contracts just as our lungs go in and out as we breath. Again, NASA's Jet Propulsion Labratory which has been monitoring the holes in the ozone notices these contractions and expansions. There is no known cause of this phenomenon.
Now lets talk about burning fossil fuels creates to much CO2 (I hope I don't have to explain what CO2 is.) It has been well known and documented that roughly 80% of all CO2 in the air is leftover from the original volcanos during the creation of the earth. That other 20% is what is recycled to the plants and what we exhale.
Global Warming does not exist. Period.
That is not true. You can't raise the amount of CO2. It defies the laws of nature. Go back to basic biology and you will know that you can't create or destroy or transform elements. There is, has been, and always will be, a set amount of every type of element on this world and in our universe. So to say that there is more CO2 is BS.
jadebullet
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Obviously someone actually has to explain what CO2 is to you.
CO2 is one Carbon atom with two Oxygen atoms bound to it. You can break the bonds between the atoms. Heck that's what we do with respiration. Oxygen bonds very quickly to other elements. The only reason we even have O2 in our atmosphere is because of plants converting CO2 into O2 and Carbon.
Oh, and it is chemistry, not biology.
Hi Everybody.
With all this scientific discussion I think the one thing we have all learned from 3 mile Island, Chernobyl and now Japan is not to trust scientists especially scientists in the nuclear industry.
With Chernobyl the nuclear industry in league with the Soviet government denied anything had happened at all until faced with the contamination evidence produced by Western European countries. With 3 mile Island the governor of Pennsylvania advised that after the first three days we realized that you could not trust anything being told to the state authorities by the plant owners or other nuclear scientist.
Now with Japan, we were told initially that this in no way could be another Chernobyl because there had not been an explosion actually in the reactor core. Now we are being told by the same scientist that a fire in the fuel rod “pond” could cause high radiation particles to be lifted into the atmosphere and spread widely over the surrounding area if not continent. That sounds very much like another Chernobyl to me.
The truth is that many briefing us on the media are actually involved with the nuclear industry and therefore interested only in minimizing the problems for the simple fact of preserving their own jobs and careers.
I have always thought of myself as being neutral in the nuclear power debate as we have a nuclear power station within 20 miles of where I live. The plant creates a lot of employment and a new station is planned for the same site. However, I believe this disaster could well see the end of those plans and the nuclear industry simply by the culture of those who are involved in it never telling us the truth in any situation.
Bill
With all this scientific discussion I think the one thing we have all learned from 3 mile Island, Chernobyl and now Japan is not to trust scientists especially scientists in the nuclear industry.
With Chernobyl the nuclear industry in league with the Soviet government denied anything had happened at all until faced with the contamination evidence produced by Western European countries. With 3 mile Island the governor of Pennsylvania advised that after the first three days we realized that you could not trust anything being told to the state authorities by the plant owners or other nuclear scientist.
Now with Japan, we were told initially that this in no way could be another Chernobyl because there had not been an explosion actually in the reactor core. Now we are being told by the same scientist that a fire in the fuel rod “pond” could cause high radiation particles to be lifted into the atmosphere and spread widely over the surrounding area if not continent. That sounds very much like another Chernobyl to me.
The truth is that many briefing us on the media are actually involved with the nuclear industry and therefore interested only in minimizing the problems for the simple fact of preserving their own jobs and careers.
I have always thought of myself as being neutral in the nuclear power debate as we have a nuclear power station within 20 miles of where I live. The plant creates a lot of employment and a new station is planned for the same site. However, I believe this disaster could well see the end of those plans and the nuclear industry simply by the culture of those who are involved in it never telling us the truth in any situation.
Bill
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Top: artist's conception of a supermassive black hole tearing apart a star. Bottom: images believed to show a supermassive black hole devouring a star in galaxy RXJ 1242-11. Left: X-ray image, Right: optical image.[1]
A supermassive black hole is the largest type of black hole in a galaxy, in the order of hundreds of thousands to billions of solar masses. Most, and possibly all galaxies, including the Milky Way,[2] are believed to contain supermassive black holes at their centers.[3][4]
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This article is about the astronomical object. For the song by Muse, see Supermassive Black Hole (song).
Top: artist's conception of a supermassive black hole tearing apart a star. Bottom: images believed to show a supermassive black hole devouring a star in galaxy RXJ 1242-11. Left: X-ray image, Right: optical image.[1]
A supermassive black hole is the largest type of black hole in a galaxy, in the order of hundreds of thousands to billions of solar masses. Most, and possibly all galaxies, including the Milky Way,[2] are believed to contain supermassive black holes at their centers.[3][4]
The passing of our solar system through the galactic center of the milky way galaxy can cause sun spot on stars due to gravitational forces which in turn can heat up that solar system , volcano eruption have been recorded on the moons of Satan and Jupiter believed to be cause by solar system heating as we near the galactic center.
It takes roughly 26.6 thousand years for our solar system to do 1 loop around our galaxy
Now the Mayan calendar is supposed to run out in 2012 21/December and many people believe that this date is the end , however it is the end of the cycle around the galaxy then it starts again ,but at a certain frame before this the world starts to be cleansed which will continue for roughly 11 years ,this is a natural force of nature , a fire goes through a bush to coarse regrowth,
this is why the earthquakes are going to get more intense and more volcano's are going to erupt .as the core of this planet heats up the ground that we stand on become thiner which causes continental plate shifting.
The worlds leading physics professor stated that we where in for a very bad time to come in the way of super solar flares from our sun caused once more through the galactic center passing the Mayans called it the crossroads the beginning and the end.
steve
It takes roughly 26.6 thousand years for our solar system to do 1 loop around our galaxy
Now the Mayan calendar is supposed to run out in 2012 21/December and many people believe that this date is the end , however it is the end of the cycle around the galaxy then it starts again ,but at a certain frame before this the world starts to be cleansed which will continue for roughly 11 years ,this is a natural force of nature , a fire goes through a bush to coarse regrowth,
this is why the earthquakes are going to get more intense and more volcano's are going to erupt .as the core of this planet heats up the ground that we stand on become thiner which causes continental plate shifting.
The worlds leading physics professor stated that we where in for a very bad time to come in the way of super solar flares from our sun caused once more through the galactic center passing the Mayans called it the crossroads the beginning and the end.
steve
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TheParot67
Silently Waiting
I have read all the way through its discussion the japanese may have a possible problem but htere working on it because of all of the people that great nation has. what they need to do is shutdown and recover before doing anything major.
very true...I often get caught up in the whole horror of Chernobyl and forget they shanghied the labor force into fixing the thing. And this disaster is much farther along than K-19, which they began fixing immediately after the alarm bells rang and the temperature started spiking. They're best bet is to get this powerline back up and running and/or trying to fix one of more of the backup Diesel/generators to get limited circulation back into the system. If they could flood the reactor then somehow vent the steam created through the turbines, they'd be turning the generators and maybe be making enough electricity to power the pumps, esssentially kick-starting the cooling system.
No matter what, my prayers go out to the people both at the plant and living around it. This is Three Mile Island all over again, only much more terrifying. It's a slow-moving nightmare that they can't awaken from. We all pray for you...
"are believed to" is not stating a fact, it is stating a belief, an opinion if you will.
I cannot figure out what you are saying here, first you state that our Solar system is going to pass through the center of our Galaxy, then you state that it is going to loop around it ???
A cycle, by its very nature, has no end or beginning, it is a continuous cycle, hence its name.
"The worlds leading physics professor stated" and just what would be the name of this professor, you cannot claim someone said something without naming that person, otherwise it is just hearsay.
As far as the Mayan calendar finishing in 2012, so what, it has to finish sometime, maybe they just stopped because they got bored and moved onto something else.
Cheers David
His name is DR.Michio Kaku this is the man who stated the sun was going to spit out super solar flares at the earth ,,,,,,go argue with him
Michio Kaku (加來 道雄, Kaku Michio?, born January 24, 1947) is an American physicist, the Henry Semat Professor of Theoretical Physics in the City College of New York of City University of New York, the co-founder of string field theory, and a "communicator" and "popularizer" of science. He has written several books on physics and related topics, has made frequent appearances on radio, television and film and writes extensive online blogs and articles.
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Kaku was born in San Jose, California to Japanese immigrant parents. His grandfather came to the United States to take part in the clean-up operation after the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake. His father was born in California but was educated in Japan and spoke little English. Both his parents were put in the Tule Lake War Relocation Center, where they met and where his brother was born.
Kaku attended Cubberley High School in Palo Alto in the early 1960s and played first board on their chess team. At the National Science Fair in Albuquerque, New Mexico, he attracted the attention of physicist Edward Teller, who took Kaku as a protégé, awarding him the Hertz Engineering Scholarship. Kaku graduated summa cum laude from Harvard University with a B.S. degree in 1968 and was first in his physics class. He attended the Berkeley Radiation Laboratory at the University of California, Berkeley and received a Ph.D. in 1972 and held a lectureship at Princeton University in 1973. During the Vietnam War, Kaku completed his U.S. Army basic training at Fort Benning, Georgia and his advanced infantry training at Fort Lewis, Washington.[1] However, the Vietnam War ended before he was deployed as an infantryman.
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Kaku currently holds the Henry Semat Chair and Professorship in theoretical physics and a joint appointment at City College of New York,[2] and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York,[3] where he has lectured for more than 30 years.[4] Presently, he is engaged in defining the "Theory of Everything", which seeks to unify the four fundamental forces of the universe:
what you need to do is read about this man and how respectfully brainy he is
steve
Michio Kaku (加來 道雄, Kaku Michio?, born January 24, 1947) is an American physicist, the Henry Semat Professor of Theoretical Physics in the City College of New York of City University of New York, the co-founder of string field theory, and a "communicator" and "popularizer" of science. He has written several books on physics and related topics, has made frequent appearances on radio, television and film and writes extensive online blogs and articles.
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Kaku was born in San Jose, California to Japanese immigrant parents. His grandfather came to the United States to take part in the clean-up operation after the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake. His father was born in California but was educated in Japan and spoke little English. Both his parents were put in the Tule Lake War Relocation Center, where they met and where his brother was born.
Kaku attended Cubberley High School in Palo Alto in the early 1960s and played first board on their chess team. At the National Science Fair in Albuquerque, New Mexico, he attracted the attention of physicist Edward Teller, who took Kaku as a protégé, awarding him the Hertz Engineering Scholarship. Kaku graduated summa cum laude from Harvard University with a B.S. degree in 1968 and was first in his physics class. He attended the Berkeley Radiation Laboratory at the University of California, Berkeley and received a Ph.D. in 1972 and held a lectureship at Princeton University in 1973. During the Vietnam War, Kaku completed his U.S. Army basic training at Fort Benning, Georgia and his advanced infantry training at Fort Lewis, Washington.[1] However, the Vietnam War ended before he was deployed as an infantryman.
[edit] Academic career
Kaku currently holds the Henry Semat Chair and Professorship in theoretical physics and a joint appointment at City College of New York,[2] and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York,[3] where he has lectured for more than 30 years.[4] Presently, he is engaged in defining the "Theory of Everything", which seeks to unify the four fundamental forces of the universe:
what you need to do is read about this man and how respectfully brainy he is
steve
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cascaderailroad
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http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/world/world_deaths.php
Millions of persons have been killed by eathquakes, just in the past century alone. Earthquakes are nothing new. Earthquakes of even greater magnitude have been going on since the recorded time of mankind.
We live on a globe which has 5 mile thick crust, that has molten core fusion furnace of lava, that has been active for millions of years.
Millions of persons have been killed by eathquakes, just in the past century alone. Earthquakes are nothing new. Earthquakes of even greater magnitude have been going on since the recorded time of mankind.
We live on a globe which has 5 mile thick crust, that has molten core fusion furnace of lava, that has been active for millions of years.
Ah now I know who you are referring to, a theoretical physicist, you do know what the word theory means don't you, anyway could you please point me to his statement about the Solar flares are being caused by us going through the Galactic core, which is what you are referring to
Cheers David
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Ever heard of David Icke ? He often spouts utter rubbish (even once claimed to be the son of god). Are you sure that DR.Michio Kaku was not just having a laugh at all the gullible conspiracy nutters out there.:hehe: Sunspots & solar flares happen at regular 11 year cycles, a disruptive solar flare is inevitable at some point. Most countries are prepared for them, but some damage is likely. I wouldn't worry about the end of the world just yet
DR.Michio Kaku stated about 6 months ago on TV in the US that in 2012 the sun will unleash solar flares that could change the way we live and be damaging to the earth magnetic fields . We got lucky 2 weeks ago.
Now he stated this 6 months ago and I'm not searching through hundreds of TV clips to make you happy, but you can .
First you asked who the man was as if to say i am full of crap now you want where he stated it ,still needing more proof .
But at the end of the day you will not be happy then because he is a theoretical physicist.
The proof you seek is that all the planets are heating up not just ours as space probes have proven by images of eruptions,
the same question remains are our fossil fuels causing that ,,,
if not our fossil fuels then how ,
i have given you the reason for how ,but time will tell
steve
i didn't say the world was ending
Now he stated this 6 months ago and I'm not searching through hundreds of TV clips to make you happy, but you can .
First you asked who the man was as if to say i am full of crap now you want where he stated it ,still needing more proof .
But at the end of the day you will not be happy then because he is a theoretical physicist.
The proof you seek is that all the planets are heating up not just ours as space probes have proven by images of eruptions,
the same question remains are our fossil fuels causing that ,,,
if not our fossil fuels then how ,
i have given you the reason for how ,but time will tell
steve
i didn't say the world was ending
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