Is this all a mess or no?

Nobody is trying to change anything, I made the suggestion and John259 tends to support it. Even ISP's will come down on you like a ton of bricks if you gloat the system, which is there for all to share. There are people with high speed connections out there that download stuff 24/7 while others struggle to get anything at all. FCT or not. The DLS is abused by many. That's the beginning and end of it.

Anyone know how many Gigabytes of data there is on the DLS?

As well as the grab everything now users, I suspect some of the problems people have with downloading as in getting access and slow speed from the DLS, is not due to over use but Network problems, congestion or whatever between the User and the DLS.

Having said that I guess there must be those who try to download everything on the DLS, can't see the point though unless its a collecting fetish or something or bad housekeeping in not backing up and having a sloppily maintained PC, which causes Trainz to break thus requiring frequent reinstalls and downloads of everything again.;)

Whatever the reason, if someone is downloading gigabytes daily, then that is blatantly unfair. However restricting FCT to say 300MB a day is unfair on those who have paid for unlimited access and maybe only download infrequently and maybe download a route that requires an additional large number of assets as a one off.
I would say maybe a weekly or monthly limit would be more reasonable for normal usage and clobber the continual 24/7 users.

Alternatively, to take some of the weight off of the DLS and in view off the fact that it is only ever going to get bigger, perhaps Auran could take a leaf out of the Linux / Unix world and spread the load by setting up secure mirrors in various locations, downside to that is the probable cost which makes it extremely unlikely.
 
All far too complicated now for retired Trainz Mariners. I wonder what happened to the KISS principle. ...... If the rules and configurations alter with each new version what was error free may become with error. I can' t see how you can keep altering a program then expect all the content to read as error free if the programming makes it read with error. What is perhaps an error to one is perfect to another as simply depends on which versions you bought. I have no idea what the answer is and far as I can see there isn't one. Not idle talk by the way but based on my own content making experience in the past with Trainz as started with version, one many moons ago when life was simple and boats amd ships sailed on the moving seas of Trainz. B


Happy Holidays, Barry. I agree the KISS principles seem to be missing from this, and a lot of things these days. Even ordering junk food at a fast food restaurant has become overly an complicated process. I couldn't even order a large chocolate shake with a small hamburger because it wasn't available as an option!

A bit Off Topic, but you might find this link interesting. I tried sending you this link via email but you don't have an email address available. This is a local city to me, and actually where I am going to school. I've been made redundant, and went back to college as a music student. (A 360 degree above face from high tech).

http://home.comcast.net/~corey.sciuto/lowelltoc.htm

There are both power canals and navigational canals in this city along with a former branchline that is now home to a small streetcar line.

John
 
Hi John and thanks for the link. Have a nice Christmas Holiday. Bit passed the studying age myself as been retired a few years, but wish you well with your music studies. Barry
 
Anyone know how many Gigabytes of data there is on the DLS?

I could probably find out because I think I know someone who's actually got the lot of testing purposes.

I agree with many of the things you say, but I think all the issues with the DLS are purely a case of over demand. My figure of (say) xxx a day is purely hypothetical. As you say, if someone wants a route with hundreds of dependencies, they won't want to wait a month for it. Over the years, ISP's have struck this problem so regularly, limits and shaping have been bought in by most. Mine for example limits me to 5 gig a month, but cuts me off regularly to boot. In the old days, dialup ISP's made you reconnect after four hours. That stopped you setting up a download helper and going to bed for the might.

The word unlimited is pretty open for debate. In my case it would be a maximum of 500kb a day due to download speeds of around 15kb a second. Others in countries with better services may get megabytes a second, so downloading a couple of gig a day is nothing to them.

In another post amigacooke said he has a pretty average item on the DLS, but it's been downloaded 74,000 times. If it's as average as he suggests, the only reason it would be downloaded that many times is because it's being "grabbed" like most items on the DLS by people who grab anything and everything.

I personally think Auran has made a rod for their own back with an open slaver FCT, but they're probably thinking that things will slow down as the greedy users eventually get everything. I'd hate to think how much bandwidth they consume and it's possible that they already have mirrors or alternative servers to take up the slack, but something needs to be done to address the hundreds of complaints about the DLS that fill these forums monthly. For far too many, the service is diabolical.
 
In another post amigacooke said he has a pretty average item on the DLS, but it's been downloaded 74,000 times. If it's as average as he suggests, the only reason it would be downloaded that many times is because it's being "grabbed" like most items on the DLS by people who grab anything and everything.
Or possibly it has been used in a few popular routes and gets dowloaded as a dependancy.
 
Well Boweavel, you can always put your hand up and volunteer.

I did for almost 5 years 'Help' as a Beta Tester, Ive seen what goes on in the back waters of Auran and I had enough, Was no longer a fun thing to play, Was just a chore to spend so much time getting things to work, dodging bugs, seeing CCG re-changed again and again, Promises made for the next great version only to see some pathetic excuse as to why it didnt make it in the next version.. (still using publishing deadlines as an excuse?)
Over the decade ive seen some excellent top notch folks like yourself, Offer idea's, have fixes for problems, come up with apps that make the whole thing easier... Many a dream has been created and barely ever has it been finished, Alot of Auran help has been offered to them and failed to show.. And then to add salt, Auran keep them out of the loop for the next version and change everything again! Now I havent been around for some years so maybe the Developers web site has changed those problems.

Ive been out of this 'game' for some years, delibratly! to get my love back for it and the community, I stayed away from the forums.. there was no need to be here for me. Ive given my finacial support to Auran over the decade for each and every version except classics 3, which i will get and now after my recent purchase of TRS2010 failing to even install, All my hopes that maybe.. Just maybe! Auran had got it right after 10 years.. Went spiraling down the drain.

So I popped back in the forum for a little advice, to see if there were any threads on the topic to fix my pain, I Noticed this thread, Caught Dinasaurs post and thought to myself "nothing changes around here"

Now.. to have you roast me as an armchair gunna.. 'Get' is one word i'd use and the 2nd word starts with an F, And I cant use it in this forum. I WORK for a living, 10 hours a day..6 days a week.. I PAY AURAN for a product THAT should be FINISHED.. so YES... I am an arm chair gunna because im paying these people who are 'Gunna' do it for me! To me the DLS IS part of that purchase price, It being a mess is just a black eye against Auran from any new user who has come into the DLS and found it a mess unlike so many other download sites for other games... that they may of come from.

I havent downloaded a single item in over 2 years and when i did it was allways a route or a loco and the rest of the items would be added as dependancies. I dont browse the DLS for a new seat, a great new track.. some pretty new car.. The way ive allways seen it, the DLS is for those people who have creations and want to share and need a single place to put them on to share, It might not be easy, it may have issues, but the item is their to find if you can. KUID search usually allways worked for me! And then if they want people to know of it they should create a post for it, With descriptions, Photo's etc... otherwise they may just want to put it there 'just so its there' and for no other reason.
That is how my stuff got on their, I created for myself first, then I'd place them on the DLS for others to share, Id create a forum post with photo's and links to the downloads and it was easy.. But Auran kept changing the configs and CCG, I had to keep re-uploading them version after version, pretty soon you get tired of it and just leave them at what ever the last update you made to them. I only have maybe 200 items so for those out there with alot more, I can imagine what a pain it must be.

Auran could of managed it from the start, kept it clean.. kept it right.. but somewhere along the way it got forgotten, and here we all are... Again.... Bickering

Years may of gone past since then, many people and idea's at Auran have changed So I bought TRS2010 with the hope of a new era for Trainz, But to have a roasting from someone trying to 'help the game' .. mate all you've done is made me NOT want to use your site simply on the principle of your attitude and shown me that nothing has changed in this forum.. Still alot of bitching and moaning and that all to familiar deafining silence from Auran. I'll stick with other games that work without error untill Auran send me a new TRS2010 disk and then I'll install it and see whats new, I havent used it regularly since 2004 edition so... Hopefully its alot!

But thanks to the info in this thread, I see nothing has changed and finding any new items is still going to be a problem. Downlaoding a new route is going to be a problem.. Finding dependancies is going to be a problem, finding erors and fixing them is going to be a rpoblem.. All i wanted to do is open a default map on a default install and play! but now seems 'Treez' is going to be a problem... Sigh

An old Trainz user and friend, someone else bitten by the hate that can go on around here, said to me last night... "My Condolances"... after id told him that id bought the new Trs2010... I laughed then, But now see what he means..

Goodluck in your quest!
 
John, Just noticed that you to have been here since 2001 (thought name was familiar!) so Im just preaching to the choir really :) You should also know the fun and games that have gone on over the years.
Seriosuly, good luck with it, Maybe just chill a little towards the nay sayers and maybe more will want to help you :)

again.. Goodluck

Heres a little volunteering on my part for you...

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But thanks to the info in this thread, I see nothing has changed and finding any new items is still going to be a problem. Downlaoding a new route is going to be a problem.. Finding dependancies is going to be a problem, finding erors and fixing them is going to be a rpoblem.. All i wanted to do is open a default map on a default install and play! but now seems 'Treez' is going to be a problem... Sigh
Good to see you posting again Bow.

I guess for some of us Trainz is always going to be a pleasure/pain balance with the latter driving us away, if only for a while.
:)
 
I did for almost 5 years 'Help' as a Beta Tester, Ive seen what goes on in the back waters of Auran and I had enough, Was no longer a fun thing to play, Was just a chore to spend so much time getting things to work, dodging bugs, seeing CCG re-changed again and again, Promises made for the next great version only to see some pathetic excuse as to why it didnt make it in the next version.. (still using publishing deadlines as an excuse?)
Over the decade ive seen some excellent top notch folks like yourself, Offer idea's, have fixes for problems, come up with apps that make the whole thing easier... Many a dream has been created and barely ever has it been finished, Alot of Auran help has been offered to them and failed to show.. And then to add salt, Auran keep them out of the loop for the next version and change everything again! Now I havent been around for some years so maybe the Developers web site has changed those problems.

Ive been out of this 'game' for some years, delibratly! to get my love back for it and the community, I stayed away from the forums.. there was no need to be here for me. Ive given my finacial support to Auran over the decade for each and every version except classics 3, which i will get and now after my recent purchase of TRS2010 failing to even install, All my hopes that maybe.. Just maybe! Auran had got it right after 10 years.. Went spiraling down the drain.

So I popped back in the forum for a little advice, to see if there were any threads on the topic to fix my pain, I Noticed this thread, Caught Dinasaurs post and thought to myself "nothing changes around here"

Now.. to have you roast me as an armchair gunna.. 'Get' is one word i'd use and the 2nd word starts with an F, And I cant use it in this forum. I WORK for a living, 10 hours a day..6 days a week.. I PAY AURAN for a product THAT should be FINISHED.. so YES... I am an arm chair gunna because im paying these people who are 'Gunna' do it for me! To me the DLS IS part of that purchase price, It being a mess is just a black eye against Auran from any new user who has come into the DLS and found it a mess unlike so many other download sites for other games... that they may of come from.

I havent downloaded a single item in over 2 years and when i did it was allways a route or a loco and the rest of the items would be added as dependancies. I dont browse the DLS for a new seat, a great new track.. some pretty new car.. The way ive allways seen it, the DLS is for those people who have creations and want to share and need a single place to put them on to share, It might not be easy, it may have issues, but the item is their to find if you can. KUID search usually allways worked for me! And then if they want people to know of it they should create a post for it, With descriptions, Photo's etc... otherwise they may just want to put it there 'just so its there' and for no other reason.
That is how my stuff got on their, I created for myself first, then I'd place them on the DLS for others to share, Id create a forum post with photo's and links to the downloads and it was easy.. But Auran kept changing the configs and CCG, I had to keep re-uploading them version after version, pretty soon you get tired of it and just leave them at what ever the last update you made to them. I only have maybe 200 items so for those out there with alot more, I can imagine what a pain it must be.

Auran could of managed it from the start, kept it clean.. kept it right.. but somewhere along the way it got forgotten, and here we all are... Again.... Bickering

Years may of gone past since then, many people and idea's at Auran have changed So I bought TRS2010 with the hope of a new era for Trainz, But to have a roasting from someone trying to 'help the game' .. mate all you've done is made me NOT want to use your site simply on the principle of your attitude and shown me that nothing has changed in this forum.. Still alot of bitching and moaning and that all to familiar deafining silence from Auran. I'll stick with other games that work without error untill Auran send me a new TRS2010 disk and then I'll install it and see whats new, I havent used it regularly since 2004 edition so... Hopefully its alot!

But thanks to the info in this thread, I see nothing has changed and finding any new items is still going to be a problem. Downlaoding a new route is going to be a problem.. Finding dependancies is going to be a problem, finding erors and fixing them is going to be a rpoblem.. All i wanted to do is open a default map on a default install and play! but now seems 'Treez' is going to be a problem... Sigh

An old Trainz user and friend, someone else bitten by the hate that can go on around here, said to me last night... "My Condolances"... after id told him that id bought the new Trs2010... I laughed then, But now see what he means..

Goodluck in your quest!

Sometimes I wonder about the Trainz mixture of for profit and people creating for free.

The idea that I have to relearn the interface every time there is a new version is beginning to grate.

Given that much of the DLS is of a lower quality than one might like and these days you could create a virtual DLS on a torrent I wonder how far off we are from creating something totally open source starting from a clean bit of paper. We have TPR and one or two other forums, a lot of the recent stuff is available in Blender, and there are open source game engines available.

Cheerio John
 
Given that much of the DLS is of a lower quality than one might like and these days you could create a virtual DLS on a torrent I wonder how far off we are from creating something totally open source starting from a clean bit of paper. We have TPR and one or two other forums, a lot of the recent stuff is available in Blender, and there are open source game engines available.

Cheerio John
Looking forward to it, but not holding my breath. :)
 
Sometimes I wonder about the Trainz mixture of for profit and people creating for free.

The idea that I have to relearn the interface every time there is a new version is beginning to grate.

Given that much of the DLS is of a lower quality than one might like and these days you could create a virtual DLS on a torrent I wonder how far off we are from creating something totally open source starting from a clean bit of paper. We have TPR and one or two other forums, a lot of the recent stuff is available in Blender, and there are open source game engines available.

Cheerio John

Hello John one is being worked on. Although initially it can read the msts1 files it eventually will be independant and stand on its own. You probably know the link anyway.

http://www.openrails.org/

B
 
Looks like it might even do the trick, and no I hadn't come across it. Let's see if we can get some canal boats running smoothly on it.

Thanks John

Crossed my mind also but it could be a while before it a stand alone sim.
Managed a 15 mile route with the Blender Game engine using srtm2 with boats running but only made basic flat sheets for water and boats drivable on keel, but water moved up and down a few feet. Details of my efforts on ship forum uktrainsim , but too basic so deleted the lot

Better wish you a Happy Christmas before my post gets deleted.

Barry :)
 
Or possibly it has been used in a few popular routes and gets dowloaded as a dependancy.

Just happened to notice something while looking through the database in TRS 2010 and just had to mention it. Tewkesbury Cottage was used in ECML and thus is included in 2010. Now back to my irregularly scheduled problem solving.
 
Just happened to notice something while looking through the database in TRS 2010 and just had to mention it. Tewkesbury Cottage was used in ECML and thus is included in 2010. Now back to my irregularly scheduled problem solving.
Thanks for that. I've never been so proud *sniff*.

I'd like to thank my Mom, Dad, Sister .......
;)
 
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