Ireland

[Clancy2012]

Hi all,

While I am a relatively new fan of Trainz just a year under my belt, I would love to set up a group who would be interested in developing Irish content, routes and rolling stock etc, for TS12. Don't get me wrong, I love traversing other countries, but we have a beautiful country here with good rolling stock and I feel it's a pity it is not represented in Ts12. I am willing to do all I can with this, including part finance to see it happen so I am putting it out here to you wonderful people to see if there is an interest in seeing this happen.I know what all of you do for us fans, in regards to design, and I have spent many hours this past year getting totally immersed in your routes and scenarios, however would love to see an Irish route go into development. Would love to hear from anyone interested in sharing this mission with me.

Clancy

 

[johnwhelan]

Steve Flanders is quite active
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?418-Irish-Narrow-Gauge&highlight=irish

Ts12 is quite happy to run content built for previous versions of Trainz.

Cheerio John

 

[Clancy2012]

Hi John,

Yes however that is old content and a small section of Northern Ireland. I am in the South where there are hundreds of miles of unmapped railway for TS12. We have 4 railway type down south that interlink and I would love to see it on Ts12.

 

[johnwhelan]

So you are saying that you're looking for modern layouts of southern Ireland plus I assume appropriate locos and rolling stock? Which time period exactly?

Thanks John

 

[Clancy2012]

Hi John,

From what I can see on Google, such routes etc don't exist for TS12. I remember when I was 12, the old steam engines and diesels coming through my home town in west limerick in the late 70's early 80's. So I am talking from 1950's onwards, steam and diesel. I have found some backdrops that could be used for scenery however I would not know where to start in laying out lines from Dublin to Cork, Limerick, Kerry and Galway for starters.

Thanks for the interest in this.

 

[belgian46]

Hi all,

While I am a relatively new fan of Trainz just a year under my belt, I would love to set up a group who would be interested in developing Irish content, routes and rolling stock etc, for TS12. Don't get me wrong, I love traversing other countries, but we have a beautiful country here with good rolling stock and I feel it's a pity it is not represented in Ts12. I am willing to do all I can with this, including part finance to see it happen so I am putting it out here to you wonderful people to see if there is an interest in seeing this happen.I know what all of you do for us fans, in regards to design, and I have spent many hours this past year getting totally immersed in your routes and scenarios, however would love to see an Irish route go into development. Would love to hear from anyone interested in sharing this mission with me.

Clancy

Hello Clancy,

You can't find anything about Ireland, well I can't find anything in TS12 about Belgium. So I will start a Belgium route for TS12. But first I have to do some research and some visiting.

So let us talk about your route that you have in mind. Do you have Transdem? If not, how will you start the building process for your route?

Best regards

Kurt :wave:

 

[Clancy2012]

Hi Kurt,

I know nothing about the building process but am gonna get transdem and see what I can do. I love a challange lol.

 

[belgian46]

Hi Kurt,

I know nothing about the building process but am gonna get transdem and see what I can do. I love a challange lol.

Hello Clancy,

Buying transdem = very good decision. I too have transdem and the route making became a lot easier for me.

After you have bought transdem and if you need some assistance, just ask.

Just beware of the following - the size of your created route may not exceed 500Mb - because Trainz cannot import content which is larger than 500Mb. I tried it several times and I always get the Taddaemon.exe error.

For the moment there is no solution for it.

Best regards

Kurt :wave:

 

[tmz06003]

Hi John,

So I am talking from 1950's onwards, steam and diesel. I have found some backdrops that could be used for scenery however I would not know where to start in laying out lines from Dublin to Cork, Limerick, Kerry and Galway for starters.

Thanks for the interest in this.

There's a Limerick Junction route on the DLS by harcourt, tick the TRS2004 box. It's fairly short but I've found it useful as an Irish display route- for Irish diesel stock post 1950

For some locos units and coaches search under user domsarto on the DLS and you'll find a class 141 in many liveries, and various units. I've been supporting Dom in the creation of this stock when he needs my input.

There's also a class 80 DMU by tcorken on the DLS that's been there for a while, I'm not completely familiar with the Irish scens so I'm unsure exactly where they work, I tend to find out about the specific stock as I work on the projects with Dom and pfx.

There's also a fictional Irish 0-6-0 steam tender loco that looks vaguely like one I saw when I visited Dublin, but it isn't exact I think. Can't recall exactly what it was named offhand but if I find it again I'll post the details.

pfx has done a few fictional reskins such as the Dart you can use until a proper mesh is built.

Good luck with your project, yes it would be great to see the lines you mentioned.

 

[rjhowie]

Well as you will know, I am working on the whole of the NI Railway and intend to continue over the Border down to Dublin and add probaby two of the branches off the enterprise route. There is a seperate thread on my Ulster project and mu intetion to go South. This in turn, if I pull it off gives the possibility of all sorts of continations from Dublin Connolly. My project is the present day scenario. For now, i am being slowed up in the last NI Rly line to Larne but as soon as done I will then work on Newry to Dundalk.

 

[pfx]

Hi Clancy.

As tmz06003 says, domsarto is the person to look for in relation to Irish content. He has created a wide range of buildings (many from photos taken around Ireland) and recently started creating stock which includes the 141 class, in all its various liveries, 2600, 2700, 2750 and 2800 classes. The 141 has been created using textures and sounds taken from the Irish Traction Group's 146 at Downpatrick & County Down Railway. I have also done a few very rough reskins to represent various NIR, IÉ and DART stock.

Transdem is certainly the best way to go for creating routes but I haven't used the geodata for Ireland before so not sure how good it is. It's one thing I had planned to do but I'm stuck on another route at present and will be for another year or two yet.

 

[Clancy2012]

Thanks for all the tips and directions to existing items. I have most of them now. Rj, you sent me a message and I accidently deleted it while trying to copy paste your email address. I have a route map for Dublin area including the lines to Drogheda and Dundalk, it is very basic but has all the stops for all of Dublin as well. Resend your message to me so I can email this lot on to you.

Thanks

 

[rjhowie]

Hi,

Not a problem will get back in touch with you via email.

For now, I have left doing the Larne route beyond Whitehead as I need to make a visit when I fly over some time in January for a short and much needed break due to health matters.

So have for now temporarily flitted over to where my scenery has stopped at Newry. Re-did the track to Dundalk and have a station of sorts in for it and now laying tracks to where Drogheda should be (!). Reckon I will just have to stick bits of bridges, etc together to give a rough idea of the viaduct and bridge over the river there rather than be stuck. Once I reach Drogheda, I will start putting scenery around the station there and Dundalk as too much empty puts me off. Then you can start doing the long stretches inbetween. I will also put in the Howth branch and if I can get this right down to Dublin then may still consider the Navan offshoot.

 

[Vern]

I started a couple of Irish routes (mainly closed lines) but for one reason or another these never came to fruition. Part of the problem is information - while the Irish OSI site is known and has a useful scrollable map, this is not as detailed as UK OS maps particularly with railway detail such as cuttings and embankments. Unless it's updated recently, much of Ireland is still very low resolution in Google Earth/Google Maps making it very difficult to trace the route of a railway line. One of my abandoned projects was the Farranfore to Valencia Harbour line but very hard to trace the course of the line on any modern map. The other two routes I started but set aside were Galway to Clifden and the Westport to Achill line. I really need to think about reviving those at some point and applying some personal commitment as all three are nice scenic routes. (And I bought the Oakwood Press books on the Achill and Valencia lines so have information such as station layouts and gradient profile).

 

[rjhowie]

I had overlooked the earlier comment by John Whelan and Belgian46 on Trainz lack for the island of Ireland and mentioned the narrow gauge Trainzer builder but left me completely out of the picture. Perhaps he hadn't noticed my messages elsewhere but I have put up news and links to my website re the build on my project both here and British Trainz so not hard tio miss.. I should all going well, have the last Northern Ireland routes done by the end of February.This was badly interefered with due to occasional health problems causing delay. In addition having laid track beyond Newry over the Border all the way to Dublin Connolly (and adding two branches off if I can stick to this) that should be a help regarding the excellent I.Rail items from DomSarto's and pfx's stock. However no-one seems to have bothered noticing that without southern Irish routes to run them on it leaves things in a pointless limbo so to speak. I certainly found it a big enough challenge doing things in the North and hope I haven't bitten off too much for the South. Indeed I thought I was doing something to be appreciated filling a big Irish gap. In doing the Enterprise route to Dublin this would allow DomSarto's as well as pfx's worthy stock to run on something Irish on IR and pfx's - oh and the freight branch running off west from Drogheda Junction.and fine suburbans on the Howth DART Branch in my build. Instead, I am just wafted by as if my thing was of no significance as if I am not here. So far I haven't had much encouragement in general and I do trust that pfx and DomSarto being lovers of rail in Ireland will also appreciate what I am trying to do although neither have commented on it whatsover is at all which is strange - not just for the NIR but IR. If people don't think my pictures give something decent to run the stock on just say and I will stop at the Border. For now I will still contemplate the scenery from beyond Newry to Dublin (and the branches) but only starting in March if I think it is worth the extra work and effort rather than what I presently feel. Or I could if inclined upload the NIR without the Dublin 3 extension and keep that for myself but in reality I am not a selfish person so that's dismissed! And a final comment. It is still my intention to spend money to fly over for a quck look at Newry to the South even though I recently lost hotel feel and flight costs due to sudden illness. How
many Trainzers would be doing what I am doing like that?!

It would be so easy to stop beyond Newry but to try and keep my intention alive and I did spend a couple nights running the track south and putting in Dundalk and Drogheda Stations along with the approaches to Dublin (Connolly). Going all the way to Dublin isn't part of my original plans for the NIR effort but I have for now included it as I felt if I could not throw in the towel getting to Dublin (Connolly) as that could open up all sorts of further extensions to IR in the South as another boost on Trainz. To date I have not seen much encouragement as with other routes. Quo Vad because so far I don't see much encouraging, things are bad enough trying to do all this from a distant Glasgow.

www.northernirelandrailwaysim.moonfruit.com

 

[domsarto]

........DomSarto being lovers of rail in Ireland will also appreciate what I am trying to do although neither have commented on it whatsover is at all which is strange - not just for the NIR but IR........

Le do thoil: ná a fháil ar do fobhristí i snaidhm hamháin mar gheall ar theip liom a fháil amach an tannoy agus mhol tú ó 'ar ard'. Má fhan muid ar fad do dhaoine a ardmholadh linn roimh cruthaithe againn rud ar bith, bheadh ​​aon rud a chruthú riamh.


Slán

 

[rjhowie]

Can I remind the Mods that this is meant to be an English language area and now we should not require to translate. Of course I can guess why I'm ignored but prefer not to loiter in the past! Having spent a great deal of my money to provide Irish routes and been ignored. Meantime for the wider community of fans. My second trip was delayed due to health but I will visit the Emerald Isle again to Belfast at considerable cost and travel down to Dublin for the day or maybe two to see if my plan for the 3 southern routes beyond the border are still feasible (and I won't need that funny lingo to get around either!

Oh. to heck I can't resist on funny languages this once.......Garsjl thoej etelle fiorunto Trainz, suntoph laref metla!

 

[domsarto]

Téigh isteach i dteach tábhairne i Átha Cliath agus glao sé lingo greannmhar, agus is féidir liom nil bheith tú ag dul ar ais go hAlbain i píosa amháin


This time I will translate it for you, you twit.

Go into a pub in Dublin and call it a funny lingo, and I can guaranttee you wont be going back to Scotland in one piece.

 

[rjhowie]

Pub brawls? Heaven forbid! I have fined people in the past and jailed others for such threats, ho, ho! Sounds just like past days and the type of yeuchy violent places to stay away from but I prefer normality and tolerance (check that word). In the times I have been over the Border generally, I have yet to hear it (including cousins who live there!) Your misuse of the language to make a stark pointis hardly a credit to it. (Oh dear my relations may mean there is a danger that twitdom is there too?!) and you betray a restricted attitude from the modern. Most Irish folk are a credit whether speaking English or Gaelic and very different from the confrontational. Never once has an Irishman of the tolerant variety ever described me as you have. I will of course avoid calling you anything similar. I bear you no ill-will and having had many a pleasant holiday across the sea thought it time it came into Trainz. How I got so far in public and civic affairs is a mystery but in equality all sorts including the twit folk need to represented.

So there we have it. I visit the place, take notes and fly home to build an Irish contribution for Trainz filling a big gap and if I differ from you then all my effort and considerable expense makes me a twit 'cos we differ? Call me as you will but I will still for the moment considering my 3 lines of the IR nothwithstanding your intolerance. Pity, eh? ( Hope you don't mind but it has been amusing and thanks for that it takes the heat away, ha, ha, ha. Of course I bear you no ill will - not my style and one does hope you don't mind too much that a Scot is filling the gap but you see no-one over there was doing it.

Best wishes from GB anyway.

Yours the Scot twit building Irish and Northern Irish railways! :clap:

 

[pfx]

I wasn't going to bother posting again but if I might step in here in an effort to explain and arbitrate before it goes too far.

RJ, when I first saw your route, I went out of my way to provide you with a few assets to run on it and which you have in turn, thanked me for on numerous ocassions. I had no problem doing this at all and was happy to help. As it is for now, I don't have a great deal of time to spend on doing anything further (which would only amount to reskins anyway). That in turn, doesn't mean I am not appreciative of the task you have undertaken in constructing the NIR network, though my particular interest in Trainz lies in BR during the 70s/80s/90s. From shots I have seen, your route is a fair and immediately recognisable representation of the network.

As regards the lack of interest for which you have singled out domsarto and myself, you should be asking yourself why that may be the case? To spell it out, you must surely realise by now that domsarto is a fiercely proud Éireannach (Irishman) and I am a nationalist (both Scottish and Irish) and republican (by that, I mean I am anti-monarchy). Similarly, I am aware that you are a unionist, royalist and British and that is absolutely fine, I do not begrudge you that.

As you have visited the north for many years, you cannot fail to be aware of the divisions here and to that effect, the need to be accomodating and understanding of others views, given how the political and cultural landscape here has changed over the last 15 years. To that end, I find the language you use when referring to both Scotland and Tuaisceart Éireann (that's irony by the way) as "this part of the kingdom" and constant reference to the UK, both condascending and needlessly inflamatory. You do not need to keep reiterating this fact. I get enough of it on a daily basis at work and in the area where I live (most recently, my wife and I were the subject of an attempted hi-jacking just weeks ago from so-called unionists/loyalists) and have unionist culture (some of which is questionable) thrust down my throat constantly. It's very easy for someone who doesn't live here to tell us 'how it is' without an idea of the effect of any of this on our daily lives (I refer to the north here).

To that end, I would kindly request that you consider adapting the type of language you use when posting in future, and respect the culture, politics and views of others, just as you yourself would expect to be afforded that very same respect. By all means, refer to it as NI but you don't need to substantiate it with a UK reference. Keep it neutral and it keeps things sweet.

Now, in the spirit of reconcilliation, can we please put this to rest and perhaps start a fresh (while agreeing to disagree politically at least)?

On a more cordial note, you may be asked for your ticket by myself in future though it could take months before I get a start date yet.

Go raibh míle maith agaibh mo chairde
Thank you very much my friends