IOA bogey

[class1987]

Hi everyone the IOA bogey is now available for you to download now for you to use in trainz if you are using trainz classics 1 and 2 change the build number to 2.7 as I never changed the build number sorry about that as I was in a rush at the time. All the people using above TC 1 and 2 dont need to worry, enjoy using my content, thanks.

Ian.

 

[VinnyBarb]

It would be very helpful if at least you tell as what the blazes an IOA bogey is. Then we would know whether it is a waste of time d/loading this or if this is the best bogey since someone invented sliced bread.

YOU know what it is, some others perhaps know it too but I guess the majority here don't know.

It still amazes me how people post very cryptic threads here, a waste of time and/or space perhaps? See, you now made me do the same, wasting some space here.

From a grumpy ol' man getting up on the wrong side of bed this morning .

VinnyBarb

 

[NikkiA]

It would be very helpful if at least you tell as what the blazes an IOA bogey is. Then we would know whether it is a waste of time d/loading this or if this is the best bogey since someone invented sliced bread.

YOU know what it is, some others perhaps know it too but I guess the majority here don't know.

It still amazes me how people post very cryptic threads here, a waste of time and/or space perhaps? See, you now made me do the same, wasting some space here.

From a grumpy ol' man getting up on the wrong side of bed this morning .

VinnyBarb

IOA is the TOPS code for a type of air-braked bogie open wagon (usually used for carrying ballast, especially in the network rail livery modelled) in the UK, they're fairly recent.

The IOA uses TF25 bogies (which pretty much ARE the best bogies since sliced bread , when class1987 says 'the IOA bogey' he simply means the asset modelling the TF25 that he used on his IOA wagon.

 

[VinnyBarb]

IOA is the TOPS code for a type of air-braked bogie open wagon (usually used for carrying ballast, especially in the network rail livery modelled) in the UK, they're fairly recent.

The IOA uses TF25 bogies (which pretty much ARE the best bogies since sliced bread , when class1987 says 'the IOA bogey' he simply means the asset modelling the TF25 that he used on his IOA wagon.

I knew that :hehe:.

No, actually I did not but thank you for your explicit and concise explanation of that bogey, Now I know :wave:.

I am in a grumpy mood today, must have been something in my Muesli I ate this morning that triggered this. Or is it because Oz cricket is dying a slow, painful but sure death in the Ashes series .

Cheers

VinnyBarb

 

[class1987]

I knew that :hehe:.

No, actually I did not but thank you for your explicit and concise explanation of that bogey, Now I know :wave:.

I am in a grumpy mood today, must have been something in my Muesli I ate this morning that triggered this. Or is it because Oz cricket is dying a slow, painful but sure death in the Ashes series .

Cheers

VinnyBarb

you were quite rude to me on your last post so you owe me an apology VinnyBarb

 

[class1987]

IOA is the TOPS code for a type of air-braked bogie open wagon (usually used for carrying ballast, especially in the network rail livery modelled) in the UK, they're fairly recent.

The IOA uses TF25 bogies (which pretty much ARE the best bogies since sliced bread , when class1987 says 'the IOA bogey' he simply means the asset modelling the TF25 that he used on his IOA wagon.

I meant to put the right title for the bogey but I can never remember the names unless I keep looking back at it lol
I used eldavo's TF25 and just redid the bolts to yellow instead with permission of course
if you can't find my bogey asset for the IOA it's 366023:1009

 

[tmz06003]

I think the important thing here is the guys that were looking out for the IOA bogie (like me) knew exactly what the thread meant so it was useful to post, many thanks for the update and thanks for your releases. I can see that your wagons will be very welcome on the UK scene.

However bear in mind that this forum is viewed worldwide, I've fallen foul of this in the past announcing a new range of semis, you and I know these as semi detached houses, in the US that has a completely different meaning! To get over this when I remember I prefix the thread with UK.

Take a look at the NR logos, there's a bit of texture flashing which can be solved by moving the plane slightly further out from the body.

I look forward to whatever you have planned next.

 

[class1987]

ok thanks for letting me know about that I didn't check the logo flashing before, but for further notice I will make sure that they don't next time.
These wagons are my 1st ever creations so that's why I have accidently done a few mistakes. On my next uploads which will be the MLAs metronet, EWS and network rail

glad you like my wagons

 

[VinnyBarb]

you were quite rude to me on your last post so you owe me an apology VinnyBarb

How so? Prey tell....

Cheers

VinnyBarb

 

[class1987]

forget it doesn't matter I misread things sometimes when I read words.

anyways enjoy using my content there will be more on the way

 

[NikkiA]

Love the wagons, both the IOA and the IEA, but (and I feel bad for making this 'but')...

The weights seem to be all off.

Both are listed as 37000 Kg tare mass, the IEA is 24,000 Kg according to network rail, the IOAs (as you've modelled, there are numerous versions in real life, but the IOAs modelled appear to be the re-bogied MLAs[1]) aren't so easy to track down, but a fair estimate would be around 22,000 Kg (the MLAs with older heavier bogies are rated for 23,100 Kg tare weight)

As for product weight, they both appear to have been intended for 90,000 Kg, although the IEA has a typo of 900,000 Kg.

But both those would be too high, a tare weight of 24,000 Kg would imply a maximum product mass of 75,000-78,000 Kg on the IEA. IOA should be theoretically rated for around the same, but in reality it's a smaller volume it can carry, so probably 60,000 is more realistic for it.

(Remember, the TF25 bogies are rated at 24.7-25.4 tonne per axle[2], and the IEA/IOA/TEA that use them are rated at 99-102 tonnes (depending on who you ask

Given that the IEA's look silly with their typo'ed maximum size, and filled to a realistic weight, and filled to the 900,000 Kg a '37 won't even budge pulling a couple of them, coupled together with tmz's logo comment, it might be worth doing an updated upload with the fixes.



[1] The I** series wagons are simply re-bogied existing designs that are also rated for International use (hence the I) by passing through the channel tunnel.

[2] The weight loading of a TF25/LTF25 is one of the few places the UK doesn't see a huge advantage, our previous bogies were generally rated for 25 tonne per axle too, other continental countries used lighter-loading bogies in the past though, so the TF25 has been a huge boost for them. The main advantage the UK sees is the decreased track wear from the double suspension.

Edit:

Experimentally 70,000 as queue size is still way too high, it results in a total wagon weight of 136 tonnes. Oddly trainz's version of maths seems to be a bit weird and non-linear, and it ends up that about 49,000-50,000 gives a reasonable load for the IEA starting from a 24,000 Kg tare weight (trainz does get THAT right at least). It's probably that ballast is defined as being fairly dense, but given that ballast is the most likely load for NR's wagons it makes sense to optimise for that load.

I'd personally put IOA at about 42,000 based on IEA being 50,000

 

[class1987]

thanks for the input I will get straight onto the weight changes, how do you work out the weights of load for each wagon anyway? Unless you work with trains in real life? Is there a website that has all the maximum weights for the wagons as that would be helpful for my future projects.
I always make a random guess with the load weight.

I will reupload the new version later will auran be able to delete the old version on the DLS so i can upload the updated one?

 

[NikkiA]

thanks for the input I will get straight onto the weight changes, how do you work out the weights of load for each wagon anyway? Unless you work with trains in real life? Is there a website that has all the maximum weights for the wagons as that would be helpful for my future projects.
I always make a random guess with the load weight.

I will reupload the new version later will auran be able to delete the old version on the DLS so i can upload the updated one?

The maximum weights are almost determined by the bogie's axle-loading these days, in the case of most british stock, that's pretty much 25 tonnes per axle, or around 100-102t for a modern bogie vehicle. There are exceptions of course but as a general rule of thumb it works.

Older wagons varied a lot, but there are plenty of information sources on those online - including BR's own data books which lay out the tare and net weight of each TOPS coded wagon.

Tare weight is easy enough to find for a wagon if there are plenty of photos - which there are for IEA - the little TOPS panel has to list the tare weight in kilograms, and almost always lists the maximum load too.

E.g.

For the IEA we can get this picture

http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/p61235080.html

Which tells us that the tare weight is 24,000 Kg, and the maximum load 66t (66,000 Kg), which is a little lower than my estimates, but close

There's also a 20.0t figure on there, I'm not sure if that's the tare weight excluding the bogies (4t for a pair of TF25s sounds light, but it's possible I suppose), or something else.

There are plenty of fotopic sub-sites that give good photos of wagons, but here's a couple of excellent first choices to try:

http://ukrailrollingstock.fotopic.net/

http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/

Usually you can find a photo that has a somewhat legible TOPS panel if you hunt around enough.

 

[class1987]

ok thanks for that least I now know what those weight signs meant.

As I am going to reupload my updated versions of these wagons is there any chance I/Auran can delete the original ones I have got on there already so I can just upload the new version instead save there being 2 of them on the DLS?

 

[NikkiA]

ok thanks for that least I now know what those weight signs meant.

As I am going to reupload my updated versions of these wagons is there any chance I/Auran can delete the original ones I have got on there already so I can just upload the new version instead save there being 2 of them on the DLS?

Just upload with a new version number on the kuid and it'll automatically update for everyone. When someone searches, they'll only see the latest version, by default, but there is a link on the asset info page to see all versions.

ie, change the IOA kuid from <kuid:366023:1003> to <kuid2:366023:1003:1> and upload it as that

likewise for the IEA, change from <kuid:366023:1018> to <kuid2:366023:1018:1>

It'll even offer a 'content update' in the main game for TS2010 users

 

[class1987]

Do I just need to type in the number or just make and update as I haven't done this before

 

[NikkiA]

Do I just need to type in the number or just make and update as I haven't done this before

Just change the kuid to the kuid2 format and with a :1 version in the config.txt, export a new CDP and upload it.

At least that's how I remember it going, it's been a few months since I uploaded anything to the DLS

 

[tmz06003]

Creating a kuid2 update is dead easy- right click in cmp then choose create new version, cmp will then clone it and allocate the update number. Then make the changes you want, once you are finished commit.

 

[class1987]

ok thanks for the help seems easy enough (dead easy) lol

chears

 

[class1987]

Right I have done my fixes and changes, now before I upload it is there anything else that anyone can think of that needs altering?
By the way tmz06003 befor I moved the logos forward I went into trs2010 to see if the logos were flashing, but there was no flashing problems at all in my game.
Which trainz version are you using by the way?
chears, Ian.