I don't get Auran?

[Inn]

Well I know I'll get some debate about this but I believe Trainz 2006 was the best built of Trainz of all times! However, it had a few errors. I'm now using Trainz 2010 and it just has flaw after flaw that Auran is choosing to forget about.. I don't get it! Ugh!

Content always worked in 2006.. now it never works in 2010. I thought 2010 was going to be a better verizon of trainz but I was wrong!

Cheers
David

 

[fran1]

I thought 2006 was good, no problems with it at all and still use it now and again.
2010, fine as long as you use assets that are meant for it, locos and stock mainly.

 

[pware]

A debate you will definitely get. I have the opposite view - Trainz 2010 is the best build of Trainz. For a while I had both Trainz 2009 and Trainz 2006 installed and used both. When I installed 2010 I removed 2009 but kept 2006 "just in case". After using 2010 for a few months I removed 2006 because I never went back to using it.

I don't see the flaws you mention. The layers initially caused some confusion in 2009/2010 and there have been many posting on that and related issues but now I am quite comfortable with them and indeed could not do without layers. The session/routes issue in 2010 is exactly the same as the session/routes issue that 2006 introduced and requires users to develop the same mindset and management habits.

Content did not always work in 2006 - there were many assets that had problems. Typos in the config.txt files, while easily fixable, were common and annoying and Trainz 2006 did not always ignore them. Other problems, such as incorrectly sized or missing image files, were also far too common. One Trainz 2006 user even set up a web site that provided a database of faulty 2006 assets IDs and hints on how to fix them - but many of the errors could only be fixed by the original asset creators.

The tightening up of the asset design rules for 2010, thus making a lot of older (2006 and earlier) assets faulty and unusable in 2010, has been the topic of other debates. But, in my (not so humble) opinion, was a move that was long overdue and will result in a far better product.

So the debate begins, again!!

Peter Ware

 

[jmeinig]

I have TRS2006, but can't afford/don't need/ can't use TS2010, but I have to agree with pware, many '06 assets are faulty and have a lot of typos and other errors in the config files. I have to say, of all of my TRS2006 content, probably about half of it I have had to fix by myself because they were faulty because of careless mistakes.

My 2 cents.

 

[johnwhelan]

Well I know I'll get some debate about this but I believe Trainz 2006 was the best built of Trainz of all times! However, it had a few errors. I'm now using Trainz 2010 and it just has flaw after flaw that Auran is choosing to forget about.. I don't get it! Ugh!

Content always worked in 2006.. now it never works in 2010. I thought 2010 was going to be a better verizon of trainz but I was wrong!

Cheers
David

I assume you mean it flags faulty content? The content is being correctly slowly on the DLS but the problems with the content were present in TRS2006 you just didn't see them apart from lower frame rates and missing functionality. It is the content creators who are responsible for the errors by the way not Auran /N3V some managed to create error free content.

TC3 actually runs TRS2006 content without flagging all the errors, has the improved steam engine support that TRS2006 lacks and slightly better performance.

Functionally TS2010 is better than TRS2006.

Cheerio John

 

[zatovisualworks]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah, those were the days when some said TRS2004 was better than TRS2006 and others viceversa! :hehe:

This thread makes me younger, much younger!

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The milk (or else) bottling side of Alberte :wave:

 

[mrscsi]

Well I guess one reason you can't "get Auran" is that Auran doesn't exist any longer… It's Auran/N3V now. It has been ever since the bankruptcy And merger…

Me personally I'm having more fun, been more engaged, learning more about scripting and asset creation, and in general I am just enjoying the overall Trainz experience at least 10 fold more than I ever did in 2006.

I built some routes and created some modifications in 2006 and put them on the DLS, that was the culmination of two years of trying to get really interested in Trainz. I beta tested TC3, and then eagerly bought 2009 (which personally I thought was horrendous) and had pretty much gave up. I decided to give it another try when 2010 was released and am I glad I did.

I bought TransDem, I started buying the first ever payware I had ever bought, I plunged deep into CCP as well as PEV's tools and have just had a ball re-skinning, modifying, rebuilding, sometimes just tearing it apart to put it back together to figure out how it works…

I've just been absolutely thrilled with 2010. Of course I don't sit around and complain about assets that are faulty, I start to look at ways to fix the assets or modify them to make them work the way I want them to.

It's been the most fun I've had in years…

 

[Inn]

Just to be clear, I believe 2006 was more simple. Simple in ways that it was able to work.. 2010 I just find FLAW after FLAW.. It's hard! It's tiring.. Saving is a huge issue.. Simple things like that drive me crazy! We never had to deal with issues like that within 2006.

Also, content.. I believe the content is better in 2010. However, I still see too many flaws that make me go ugh! I am simple, I love passenger routes. I love to go from Point A to Point B but I hate that the AI is having too many issues. For example, I know for a fact that my AI is given a "CLEAR" signal and it's going at half speed. Stuff like this is frustering because I can't fix it..

 

[mrscsi]

I'm not really sure what you mean by saving is a big issue, I've not seen any difference whatsoever in how it saves routes and sessions. Maybe I'm just used to TC3 and beyond, to be truthful with you I haven't played 2006 in quite some time.

Mine still always pops up and asks me if I want to save or overwrite same as I think it always has.

As far as it being simpler, yeah you might have a point. 2006 compared to 2010 is extremely simple especially in the way it does things and what you can do with it.

I guess I just approach it differently, I look at the changes as good things, I see a lot of changes that a lot of people for a very long time whined and complained should be in Trainz. Now all of a sudden they are but that doesn't satisfy some people, now they complain it's too complex…

I guess the answer to the dilemma would be if you like simple, stick with 2006 and buy a first-class ticket if you want access to the DLS if you don't then you can forget about first-class ticket. If you want to be engaged and move forward then 2010 is the perfect vehicle to do that.

Now don't get me wrong I'm not being critical of your choice or your statements. If you like 2006, use 2006. But on the same token don't criticize Auran/N3V for moving forward with what a lot of their users wanted and not standing pat on 2006 or even supporting it now five years after release…

 

[mrscsi]

Just to be clear, I believe 2006 was more simple. Simple in ways that it was able to work.. 2010 I just find FLAW after FLAW.. It's hard! It's tiring.. Saving is a huge issue.. Simple things like that drive me crazy! We never had to deal with issues like that within 2006.

Also, content.. I believe the content is better in 2010. However, I still see too many flaws that make me go ugh! I am simple, I love passenger routes. I love to go from Point A to Point B but I hate that the AI is having too many issues. For example, I know for a fact that my AI is given a "CLEAR" signal and it's going at half speed. Stuff like this is frustering because I can't fix it..

I saw that AI issue in 2006, I had it on a route where a single train was going down the mainline and would just all of a sudden go below Half speed, if I recall correctly nobody could figure it out then either…

My 70 mile route that's on the DLS, about half of the users that downloaded that seem to have that issue as well, at least they were the ones that contacted me and told me, for all I know the other half had it and just didn't bother to tell me…

So that's not unique to 2010. I think I narrowed it down to signal spacing but there was always a chance that it would just at any moment in that particular segment drop-down to half speed.

If the flaws you're talking about are with content, then getting frustrated with Auran/N3V is not really the proper target for that angst. That would be the content creators. But that's a whole different argument and one it's been thoroughly trashed through over and over again over the last few months…

 

[pware]

Yes, Trainz 2006 was simpler than 2009/2010, and Trainz 2004 was simpler than 2006 and there were, as Alberte pointed out, plenty of users who thought that 2004 was far better than 2006. Likewise there were many who criticised 2006 because it lacked this or that - the way it implemented steam loco control and sounds, for example, was a constant source of annoyance for many. There will always be these arguments.

Some of the problems in 2006, as mrscsi pointed out, are still present in 2010 and may require a long awaited upgrade to the Jet (R) engine that powers Trainz before they can be fixed.

I loved Trainz 2006, it was better than 2004, UTC and all its predecessors. But, after 6 years, it was showing its age. I now prefer Trainz 2010 and am looking forward to see what Trainz 2012 will be like.

When 2010 was released I held off buying to see what the reaction of the community was like. The many negative posts initially deterred me from making the move. When I did jump to 2010 I found that I did not experience any of the problems that most of the complainers were posting about - the program and all the update patches installed perfectly, it ran smoothly and worked better than 2006 and 2009.

If you plough through the many "2010 is rubbish", "2010 is the worst ever", etc, etc, posts in these forums that list the bad experiences users are having with Trainz 2010 you will find that the vast majority (if not all) end up being caused by problems with the users themselves (e.g. computer specs not good enough, not following instructions, etc). A couple of negative posts were from users attempting to run Trainz 2010 on low level laptop computers and were claiming "it was all Auran's fault".

Another 2c to the debate.
Peter Ware

 

[Euphod]

I was rather enamored of 2006 myself. Even today it harkens back to the heady "sunshine blowing" days of Trainz, but alas, I have forsaken my former love for the delicious and seductive wiles of 2010. She is aloof, begging to be tamed and bound and forced into submission. And while I am fetching yet another roll of duct tape and perhaps some visqueen from my garage, Trainz 12 will wander down the alley, all innocent and plaid skirts and pigtails.

But I know what a vixen she is, and I am watching her...

 

[mrscsi]

I was rather enamored of 2006 myself. Even today it harkens back to the heady "sunshine blowing" days of Trainz, but alas, I have forsaken my former love for the delicious and seductive wiles of 2010. She is aloof, begging to be tamed and bound and forced into submission. And while I am fetching yet another roll of duct tape and perhaps some visqueen from my garage, Trainz 12 will wander down the alley, all innocent and plaid skirts and pigtails.

But I know what a vixen she is, and I am watching her...

As long as they keep getting younger and prettier AND will even stop to flirt with me, I'll play along...:hehe:

 

[fran1]

Ed,
Put the wine away and get the beer out. What you doing with the duct tape or is it better we don't know ?

 

[jmeinig]

Ed,
Put the wine away and get the beer out. What you doing with the duct tape or is it better we don't know ?

I think it probably is better we don't know...

 

[Inn]

I take back what I said. 2010 is a good product.. MP was just a fail.. but 2010 isn't that bad! You just gotta fight through the bugs and some of the content not working lol

 

[pware]

Thank you for than Inn - Trainz 2010 is certainly not without its problems.

But this, I believe, is the first time a thread starting off criticising the product (and there have been many others far worse) due to a misunderstanding or because of incomplete knowledge, has ended up with the original poster admitting his/her error. You have my respect Sir.

Peter Ware