I bought TS12 from Steam, can I download it from Auran so that I can patch it?

[TZHX]

I bought Trainz 12 from Steam at around the time of its release. I've recently reinstalled it and discovered that it's not possible to patch the Steam version (they don't even have a patch from this version number on their downloads page).

I've registered my CD key on the Auran website, is there any way I can download an installer from here that will let me run an up-to-date version of the game?

 

[Euphod]

Only if you pay for another copy. Steam is responsible for their own patches.

 

[shaneturner12]

Hi TZHX,

Welcome to the forums.

Unfortunately ,the simple answer is no. You will need to buy a second copy of it (this time from N3V's own store) in order to access the digital download from N3V. You can try contacting Helpdesk and see what they say, but in short, buying the Steam edition means that you cannot access the digital download files from here, as it is a different version.

Shane

 

[TZHX]

Only if you pay for another copy. Steam is responsible for their own patches.

Steam makes available what the developers/publishers give them, it is not repsonsible for creating patches. N3V could supply a patch from the version given to Steam to the current version, but they choose not to do so.

shanturner12: thank you for your response. It was pretty much what I was expecting, but didn't think there'd be a harm in asking.

 

[shaneturner12]

That's what these forums are for. One thing I've learnt is that if you don't ask, you don't learn anything.I know the answer is not ideal, but unfortunately it's how things stand.

Shane

 

[jon157uk]

@TZHX:- I made the same mistake as you and also bought TS12 from Steam, I had a load of trouble getting running and I found a lot of the downloads wouldn't work in it. I've now un-installed it and bought a DVD version and it's the difference is massive.

Trouble is I'm now having nothing but trouble with my TS10EE which I also bought from Steam so I may end up doing the same thing.

I hate Steam!

 

[JCitron]

It's a combination of what the developer needs to supply and what Valve does for their system. The developer has to work extra, actually costing them more in development costs, to supply extra code and essentially doing more work, for the same patch that would easily be downloaded directly without the overhead the Steam requires. Then after the patch is supplied, there's the possiblity that it will take time to be processed so it made available on the Steam system. So in essence, you are at the whim of not just the developer fixing things, but in addition to what Steam wants to do, and how far and long they want to support the program.

John

 

[TZHX]

@TZHX:- I made the same mistake as you and also bought TS12 from Steam, I had a load of trouble getting running and I found a lot of the downloads wouldn't work in it. I've now un-installed it and bought a DVD version and it's the difference is massive.

Trouble is I'm now having nothing but trouble with my TS10EE which I also bought from Steam so I may end up doing the same thing.

I hate Steam!

Hi jon, thanks for your response.

The only DVD version I can find anywhere is the "Railway Simulator Powerred by Trainz 12" from JustTrains. Is this the same as the standard retail, or would it have the same problems, not being a first-party purchase, as it were.

I can't justify buying it again for full whack, so that's N3V/Auran's website out. I wouldn't mind paying $10 just for the ability to download it here even, but not paying $50 (again).

 

[shaneturner12]

The Just Trains version of TS12 should work with the standard N3V patches - it's only the Steam version of TS12 that does not.

Shane

 

[clam1952]

Hi jon, thanks for your response.

The only DVD version I can find anywhere is the "Railway Simulator Powerred by Trainz 12" from JustTrains. Is this the same as the standard retail, or would it have the same problems, not being a first-party purchase, as it were.

I can't justify buying it again for full whack, so that's N3V/Auran's website out. I wouldn't mind paying $10 just for the ability to download it here even, but not paying $50 (again).

Just Trainz should be ok, it's just local branding, the contents are the same as the N3V supplied version, or if you have signed up for the Trainz Newsletter, the one I received last night has a 25% off TS12 voucher, need to click the link to claim it though. If you have signed up for the Newsletter check your spam folder, that's where mine usually ends up despite marking it frequently as not spam.

 

[jon157uk]

It's the 'Just Trains' DVD that I bought TZHX, yes the update patches work great with it, I've installed them into mine and everything works perfectly.

 

[Euphod]

N3V could supply a patch from the version given to Steam to the current version, but they choose not to do so.

That's odd, I'm pretty sure I've read here that that N3V has done their part, but since you know otherwise; I must be wrong!
Either way, the result remains the same. Thank you for your response.

 

[TZHX]

You misunderstand what I said. I meant that if Steam aren't publishing the update N3V apparenlty gave them, then N3V could supply it as a downloadable patch on their site to bring the users on Steam up-to-date. Don't be a dick.

 

[NickieFoenshauge]

... The developer has to work extra, actually costing them more in development costs, to supply extra code and essentially doing more work ...

They also sell more and thus earn more. I wouldn't have bought Trainz in the first place if it hadn't been for Steam; they had a nice discount, when I was in the market to buy TS12. Plus, some people simply find Steam easier.

 

[H222]

Don't be a dick.

............

Ignoring that, Ed is saying he is wrong. He isn't doing anything wrong.

Steam mess around and blah blah stuff with their products, so while N3V can give them patches it is up to steam to make them compatible with their version of the game

Jamie

 

[peghorse]

You would think that Steam, now hosting modded content for Skyrim & Portal 2 would go all out to support the biggun > TRS & associated DLC... mhm? ^^
but nuuuuuu...
Don't know what planet they are on "it's life Jim, but not as we know it"
If I were N3V I would give them a miss until they prove their dedication to such a title.
It appears they haven't done that.

 

[Euphod]

You misunderstand what I said. I meant that if Steam aren't publishing the update N3V apparenlty gave them, then N3V could supply it as a downloadable patch on their site to bring the users on Steam up-to-date. Don't be a dick.

Ah; thanks for clearing that up for me! You see, there's so much I don't know, and I've been around the forums for awhile.
Now carry that out to it's natural conclusion, and thanks for your response.
I don't know how you figured out that I was a private detective, and I don't know why you're offering profession related advice all the sudden, but I really have too much time and money invested in my job to quit now. I'll continue to be a dick, thanks anyway!

 

[clam1952]

You misunderstand what I said. I meant that if Steam aren't publishing the update N3V apparenlty gave them, then N3V could supply it as a downloadable patch on their site to bring the users on Steam up-to-date. Don't be a dick.

And that although the obvious solution is the main problem, Steam will not permit direct patching on any software they supply through their clutter, see ongoing EA v Steam dispute over direct patching, EA wanted to apply patches direct, Steam / Valve say they can't as it's against their policy, they claim they can't provide the best service to their customers unless they control the patching. Currently the dispute appears to be escalating as EA have now started their own system for supplying games and the whole issue appears to be somewhat cloudy.
Personally I'd stay clear of both systems, Steam / Valve in my opinion, like Apple with its App store is trying to monopolise supply of Games that they haven't even created. I would would imagine there are contracts involved which probably complicate any issues with patching.

 

[Sourdough]

..... Don't be a dick.

If you stop and think about it, it's not possible to call someone a dick without first becoming one yourself....

 

[shaneturner12]

You misunderstand what I said. I meant that if Steam aren't publishing the update N3V apparenlty gave them, then N3V could supply it as a downloadable patch on their site to bring the users on Steam up-to-date. Don't be a dick.

Hi TZHX,

May I suggest you do some research before making comments like that. When it comes to Steam-delivered products, only Steam can deliver the patches. Once N3V have supplied them with a patch, it's up to Steam on whether they implement the patch or not.

In some cases, Steam have actually modified the files given to them (this happened with TS2009).

Shane