How far apart should toilets be spaced on American roads?

JonMyrlennBailey

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Trainz provides a number of toilet content items. Outhouses and modern porta-johns as well as public restrooms.

If you were a RR employee on any American road, what is the greatest distance to the nearest
toilet you would have to walk to be inside train yards?

I have an outhouse placed behind every water tank where steam locos stop.
 
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Depends on the age of the employee. If you are 18 then maybe 4 hours apart. If you are my age then maximum 30 mins apart. :eek:

Really, Jon, you do ask some odd questions...

I have wondered what the engineer and fireman did on steam locos. But then maybe I don't really want to know.
 
And I thought that they pooped through a hole in the engine/carriage???????????????????
Probably every 10/12 feet or closer if they have the runs.

Now peeing that is a different kettle of fish - just don't do it upwind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Dont' get me started on sitting on one Jon. Just go for a good old fashioned "hover" and make sure there is plenty of paper.

Doug
 
This is a rather interesting question.

I don't think there was much thought about putting thunder boxes along the track in those days.
 
Maybe I am just way too serious about authentic railroad modeling in Trainz.

I have chronic irritable bowel syndrome myself and I am very sympathetic towards
people in work places with regards to being relatively close to a private, comfortable place
whenever mother nature calls or SCREAMS. Perhaps, I should get my ruler out and make
sure there is at least one such private place withing the range of one city block (660 feet, 8 standard blocks to the mile in length) in very RR yard on my layout.

To squat out in the open would just not be very civilized. Even porta-johns are commonplace at construction
sites where manly hard hats toil with jack-hammers and shovels.

I know yard switchers don't have on-board toilets unlike many diesel mainline locomotives. The yard workers will
need outdoor loos placed every so many yards.

The steam locomotive drivers had to stop often for water and I am sure there was an outdoor can at every water stop.
 
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If anything they probably went behind the shed or in the woods while on the road. That was an issue that became a lawsuit by a female commuter rail conductor back here about 20 years or so ago. The reason was not many of the trains, at the time, had working toilets and she was forced to use some unreasonable places... After that all commuter trains had at least 1 coach with a toilet, and I think all do now.

Back in the 19th and early 20th-century, railroad companies were not kind to their workers. In fact a worker was lucky if he survived with all fingers and limbs intact through to retirement. It took the unions and labor safety laws in the early 20th-century to enforce safety and create what we take for granted today such things as OSHA and child labor laws.

Sorry to hear about your IBS. A friend of mine has that and so does his daughter.
 
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Depends how far you want to take realism. Perhaps a content creator can create poop and appropriate marks between the tracks when someone let loose in a coach toilet or appropriate severed fingers and limbs lying along switch yards, where some unfortunate souls lost theirs.

Goodness me, how far does one want to take realism in a train sim? The above OPs post was about the silliest post I read here in a long time, what will be next? Car crashes at rail crossings, people getting run over, someone getting electrocuted while working on an overhead line etc.? All in the name of realism.

This is the season of good will and merriment and I hope that spirit will continue long after the holidays are gone.

My opinion

VinnyBarb
 
This thread is priceless. Something that the most of us completely forget about..... Of course I'm sure screenshots probably wouldn't be appropriate LOL
 
I too suffer from IBS... MY question is, in a sim, are you really going to take the time to find the next convenient location with a toilet and make an unauthorized stop in the middle of the main line? Or are you just going to pause the game and go? Because if I really had to go while running in Trainz I'd just pause the damn thing.

If you're really going to sit in your chair while your train approaches the nearest toilet in agony trying to, em, hold it in, then perhaps you're a little tooo serious about this whole thing. Otherwise, don't worry about placement of portajohns within the game. Just because it's on the DLC, doesn't mean you have to use it. Yes, they may be there to add some realism to, say, a remote worksite on the line or something, but if you're seriously worried about realistic spacing of them then that's a whole different issue.

Jon, have a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Merry Kwanzaa, Festivus, whatever it is you celebrate. But seriously. There's realism and then there's insanity. You, my friend, I hate to say it, are bordering on insanity. Worry instead about making sure all your crossings have the new spring-loaded crossing gates installed so you don't have to replace them every time carz run through them. (A little humor I stole from bnsf50's crossing gate description on the DLS):cool:
 
I am showing empathy for real-world RR employees. The ethics or scruples of many America RRs (and employers in other industries) in the past has been very questionable. One of my fantasies would be to own and operate my own real-world road if I were the richest man in the world. I would pay union-scale or better and maintain the world's safest, cleanest, healthiest, neatest and most presentable RR for employees, passengers and the general public who live and travel near and across the tracks. I would not put up with yard-bull mentality also. Trespassers and train jumpers would not be banished from RR property using more force than is necessary. Clubbing peaceful hobos to death would not be my policy. Shoddiness of service and dangerous conditions as in Amtrak is not my cup of tea either. My RR employees would also be permitted to carry concealed handguns at will at work for personal security.
 
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I am showing empathy for real-world RR employees. One of my fantasies would be to own and operate my own real-world road if I were the richest man in the world. I would pay union-scale or better and maintain the world's safest, cleanest, healthiest, neatest and most presentable RR for employees, passengers and the general public who live and travel near and across the tracks. I would not put up with yard-bull mentality also. Trespassers and train jumpers would not be banished from RR property using more force than is necessary. Clubbing peaceful hobos to death would not be my policy.

That's why we have Trainz. :) And the good part is we don't have to be the richest people in the world to have the most perfect company either. :D

In all seriousness though, it took the labor strikes even before the unions were formed, to make the changes we have today. One of the most notable that lead to our 40-hour work week eventually, took place not too far from where I live. The Bread and Roses Strike of 1912 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_Lawrence_textile_strike was a very important event in labor history.

Merry Christmas.

John
 
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One of my fantasies would be to own and operate my own real-world road if I were the richest man in the world. I would pay union-scale or better and maintain the world's safest, cleanest, healthiest, neatest and most presentable RR for employees, passengers and the general public who live and travel near and across the tracks

Then you wouldn't be the richest man in the world for very long.

Maybe I am just way too serious about authentic railroad modeling in Trainz.

I have chronic irritable bowel syndrome myself

You may want to find a less stressful hobby.

Now peeing that is a different kettle of fish - just don't do it upwind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's why there is The Motorman's Friend or as it's called now, The Stadium Pal
https://www.stadiumpal.com/
 
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To the best of my knowledge, as a former Rock Island Railroad employee, no specific standard that requires that there be sanitary facilities any specified distance apart. That said, back in the day, except for shelters and relay boxes which were intended for the protection of equipment and supplies, and were not intended to be occupied much of the time, contained sanitary facilities. Yard jobs were generally given a task by the yard master at the yard office (where there were facilities), went and performed the task, and then came back to the yard office for the next assignment, so they were regularly in the vicinity of facilities then. In large yards, such as hump yards, where there would be people stationed at some distance from the yard office, people in remote locations generally had shelters or shanties where they could wait, and these also usually included facilities. Many cabooses also had a built in rest room for the rear end crew to use.

Water tanks probably did not have separate outhouses, but water tanks were most likely locations where there were other facilities, such as an operator's office, which would have contained facilities. But a train and engine crew who stopped a train only for the purpose of making a visit to the sanitary facilities would have been subject to discipline. In the days of steam, engine crews operated over a particular subdivision, and knew exactly where they could "take care of business" without having an unexpected audience.

ns
 
A Little Christmas Toilet Humor

So a few Christmases ago, me, my sister, my mom and dad were opening presents. After opening a few presents, my dad left the living room and headed to the bathroom down the hallway. Unfortunately, he left the door open for us to hear what was going on. When he came back into the living room, I simply said, "flushed with success". We spend the next few minutes laughing our heads off.
 
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