heard the news, This new movie is nothing good

If i read the report right, she had her brakes in 20lb draw, but the cars weren't tied in to her air pipes, so only her brakes were on. i guess that's how she awas able to get underway.


If you read the report carefully you'll see that it was a yard move so the cars were most likely bled off and the the independent brake was applied with the throttle in notch eight.


With the independent fully applied the alerter was disabled and the shoes burned off so that's obviously the reason why it was able to “get underway”.
 
guy left the cab for a switch in the yard like an idiot.


You got it, risking an injury by getting off moving equipment so that she or he didn't get taken out of service for running through a switch.

Not to mention the rule violation for not being able to stop the train before running through the misaligned switch.
 
yes, i read all that too, except the report i read was third party and did not state her cars were bled off. i just assumed they had retainers set for release for yard switching or something. but i knew the brake shoes were all burned off. i guess i just assumed she only had to overcome her own brakes to get moving.

man wouldn't that have been a sight. runaway train, no crew, with sparks flying off the wheels tearing down the track doing 45+? i'd pay to see that. just not if it went all haywire and jumped the tracks. her train had two cars of liquid phenol in it. i don't quite know what that is but if its classified HAZMAT then it can't be freindly if it blows up/burns/gets derailed.
 
It is obvious that the movie makers don't know much about trains....it's also obvious that train "experts" don't know much about movie making. I suggest that those of you who have your undies in a bind over this, should attend the movie and take the initiative to jump up and and announce the discrepancies as they appear. The audience will not only appreciate the heads up on real train operations but will also oooh and aah at how in the know you are about trains.....I think this is one of my better ideas...:cool:
 
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i just assumed they had retainers set for release for yard switching or something.

Why would you “set retainers for release”, if the cars are going to be flat switched or classified via a hump operation they are usually bled off.
 
People keep pointing out discrepancies in the movie. I just want to say a few things.

We've all agreed that Hollywood likes to exaggerate things, and look how successful they've gotten due to that. The average, everyday railroad operation done to-the-book may be interesting to us, however to the average person, no one wants to watch a movie about trains going by or doing yard jobs. They want to see action. The best way to fit a train into an action movie is to put it in a crash-situation. That's what brings in the big bucks.

Oh don't worry, they have films for our kind - look under Pentrex, Greenfrog, or Herron Rail. ;)

All I'm saying is, don't judge a book by it's cover. I, for one, am going to see this movie for the soul fact that I like the effects and filming...and Denzel Washington is just a generally good actor.
 
I, for one, am going to see this movie for the soul fact that I like the effects and filming...and Denzel Washington is just a generally good actor.

I'm cheap. I'll wait for redbox to get it on DVD then I'll use my monthly free rental for it.:hehe:
 
Why would you “set retainers for release”, if the cars are going to be flat switched or classified via a hump operation they are usually bled off.

I'm not an exact expert on yard moves nowadays, so i just figured it was easier to move cars with their brakes released. Bleeding off the air makes more sense now that you say it.

People keep pointing out discrepancies in the movie. I just want to say a few things.

We've all agreed that Hollywood likes to exaggerate things, and look how successful they've gotten due to that. The average, everyday railroad operation done to-the-book may be interesting to us, however to the average person, no one wants to watch a movie about trains going by or doing yard jobs. They want to see action. The best way to fit a train into an action movie is to put it in a crash-situation. That's what brings in the big bucks.

Oh don't worry, they have films for our kind - look under Pentrex, Greenfrog, or Herron Rail. ;)

All I'm saying is, don't judge a book by it's cover. I, for one, am going to see this movie for the soul fact that I like the effects and filming...and Denzel Washington is just a generally good actor.

I'm with you there. I want to see it for the effects too, that and its another train movie. and, well, there's eight cars of HAZMAT on that train. if it goes boom, my inner pyromaniac will be happy:hehe: :eek:

After this movie is in theaters listen to what all these experts have to say then:hehe:

i agree. i started this thread 'cause i was in the rivet-counter zone. never a good thing with me.
 
:hehe: i hear that. there's a rider-size steam railroad at that same museum. once the driver of the little 4-4-0 accidentally shut off the gas vavle to the firebox. guess what happened next:hehe:

(just get the image of ten people pushing)
 
Most railfans, do know more than the average RR employee ! Some rare exceptional RR Employees do know more than the majority of their fellow workers: who treat it just like any other job: Go to work...come home alive...day in, and day out...nothing more than an income, a job.

There are alot (not ALL) of RR Employees that know little or nothing, beyond their own specific job decription. Some physicly hide in the woods, or in Car Inspector offices as "lounge lizzards", and in MOW trucks, as ghost employees ... working only when the boss is around.

How dare you, dare my, dare dare ! I could care less who finds it rude and disresepectful ... you have your own cookie !

I was refering to most railfans knowing more than the average RR Employee ... not myself knowing it all.

I worked with Car Inspectors that used to Non-Inspect trains ...their moto was: The train rolled in without derailing, it will roll out without derailing. And if it does derail, it will be 500 miles from here, and it will be somebody elses fault. Anything could have happened to it in its long journey ... pump it up and dump, air test. And the heck with walking a train to inspect each and every car.

Well, I never followed their slipshod negligent practice, I did my job well.

Wow... you've taken fan ignorance to a new level.

First off, the average douche "fan" does not know more than the average RR employee. You may know countless stupid facts such as locomotive model numbers, horns, and other meaningless stuff that has no use whatsoever in real life. However, when it comes to things that a railroader would actually find relevent (such as how to replace a broken knuckle or a burst hose), people like you would be completely clueless.

There is a difference between the absolutely stupid information you choose to memorize, and information that is beneficial on the job. Just because you can rattle off stuff that the conductor/engineer can't, doesn't mean you know more than they do. He/she will go back into the cab and have a good laugh with their engineer at your so-called knowledge and lack of social skills.

And to the person that started this thread, if you're really that bent out of shape about this movie and it's accuracy (or lack of), you should look into getting a life. This movie, is just that: a movie. The majority of the audience will not know a thing about trains nor care.


Take this as an example: Would you know how to robotize a train? Say the remote units are already in place throughout the train; you have two seperate remotes: your 'B' remote (mid-train) and your 'C' remote (end of train). Like I said, everything is good to go except the actual linking. Could you setup both the lead unit, and the two remote units for distributed power operation? Could you link them successfully once you've set them up?

'Cause the guys out here know that procedure like the back of their hand, but I guess (going by your logic) you'd probably know more than them right?

Here's another one, just for fun: You've stopped to line yourself into a siding. Once you've pulled your train into the siding and are approaching the other end, you make a minimum reduction. Once the reduction begins to hit most of the train, you suddenly go into emergency. What is the most probable cause of the emergency application? Also, what would you do to rectify the problem?
 
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First of all I do not presume and claim to know more than the Engineer or Conductor. I never drove a locomotive. I was in the Car Department, and inspected/welded/repaired just about everything on railcars.

While working for the RR I witnessed the most negligent acts committed by my fellow employees. I saw a man start up a P&H wreck crane, climb off to adjust the motor, and the crane slipped into gear and careened towards us workers that had a jacked up loaded steel coil car that had its one truck rolled out from under it. Not to mention it was also careening towards a cushman repair cart equiped with oxy/acetelene compressed gas tanks.

I saw the same coil car (which we repaired), which was clearly labeled "DO NOT HUMP", go over he hump, and tear though the classification turnouts, while its lead air hose caught up in the switch, which ripped the entire airbrake trainline out from under the car, causing it to derail.

I saw a crew push 17 TOFC railcars, and never mind the conductors scream over the radio to "STOP STOP STOP", they kept on shoving, till the cars and trackage was sticking up in the air 15' twisted like a pretzel.

I saw them shove 125 Iron Ore Gennies back, derailing almost all of them into a twisted massive derailment.

I saw switch crews shoving CR coal hoppers with the handbrakes still not released (because they were too lazy to climb and release handbrakes). The cars skidded along the rails with sparks shooting out from the railhead, so hot that steam was emitted from the rail (as the rail was wet). I questioned them why not release the handbrakes ? Their reply: Why ... do you care ? I replied: Yes, because I have to shop them for flat spots on the wheels. One car had such bad wide flat spots ... it wouldn't even roll right after the traincrew destroyed the wheels.

I saw what happens when another car inspector purposely neglected to inspect, even bother to walk the train, and neglected to oil even one of the journal boxes. By the time the train reached Valley Forge almost all of the 1000 journals on the 125 car train of Gennies were smoking. We were all called out that day, everyone on the our division, to oil that train, and inspect it on the main.

Almost no radios existed, and if they did, it was one of the big black box transcievers, that had absolutely no get out wattage, and was conversation was totally unreadable.

I was informed that 2 car inspectors that had no radios, crossed over couplers without radio permission, and were quickly mowed down by a passing freight in Oak Island yard.

After another car inspector was run over and killed, and after the tagging, bagging, and FRA was finished, workers were instructed to respond to the scene and throw lime over the aftermath.

I have seen dozens of lifetime RR employees avoid work throughout their long career. Obviosly you didn't work for Penn Central & Conrail. One guy I worked with hadn't changed a brake shoe in 10 years, but he filled out thousands of false billing for well over 30 years showing that he had done 5-10 per day.

On the job training was usually sticking the new hire with the 35 year veteran, who inturn showed th new guy the ropes, as the veteran was shown 35 years prior. There was no schooling, class's, tests ... it was all hands on training. Sure I was shown exactly how to give a Initial Terminal Air Brake Test, and performed many, many Air Tests on the main. There even was one actual single video tape, (that was every so often handed around), for the employee to take home and view at his lesure.

I was quized by the veteran employee on all the hundereds of railcar nomenclature, and could tell a AB from an ABD, and repair them all. Through hands on training I was shown that the cut lever pushed up on the toggle, and that moved lock lifter up, forcing the thrower to push out on the knuckle. I was sick and tired of fixing busted knuckes and pins that you guys continually break by rough switching. One engineers flat switching "smooth move" sent a loaded tank car crashing at 35 mph into a consist, breaking the pressure dome ceramic disk, spraying chemical into the air and all over the railcar.

Corporate once sent a bigwig down to test his dimwitted brainstorm of how to patch a busted airhose with a entire roll of 3M electrical tape ... which quickly expanded like a balloon, and finally blew up with an earshattering Ka-BLAM-O !

Radio Telemetries were a complete rairity to snag off of incomming trains. Most were broken and malfunctioning, and the 100+ NiCad batteries in the terminal had so much memory that they would not even hold a charge. Flashing yellow Star Makers were the norm, and these made crews furious that manned trains bound for the NEC. Oftentimes no markers were available at all, asside from a waving red linen flag in a stick.

Engine crews that came aboard a new fangled electronic equiped loco, frequently had to call out a CR tech to unlock the computer controls. DPU was new fangled and experimental.

Several Conrail high ranking executives came up with a scheme to steal couplers, air brake rigging, and entire freight railcar trucks. By falsifying and then submitting fictacious billing of foriegn roads freightcar maintenance records. One example: showing that a UP freightcar recieved 2 new replacement trucks and couplers. But when alas: UP inspectors went out in Baily, and found that the original 1976 trucks and couplers were still in place, they found that no actual repairs had ever made in any Conrail shop. Hundereds of computer records were altered to show that work was done, when in fact no work had ever been done at all.

This swindle caused the closing of the huge Enola Freight Classification Yard. Enola may have been reopened in receint years, I don't railfan that much. I haven't ever "Foamed" trackside with my foot up my rear ... and my $99 camera hardly is comparable to a $500 railfans equipment.

US railroads had fallen complete neglect, akin to Ralph Naders-Corvair "unsafe at any speed", and it is no wonder why the US is (was) a classic setting for rail disaster movies. Recient decades there have been many more safety and training programs enacted. Thank goodness that railroads of today are much safer than years ago, and they actually have classroom training programs nowdays.

In responce to your Emergency braking question: I really am unsure, I was the guy who repaired the railcars, so that they would brake properly. Possibly a kicker in the consist ? I was informed that a train, that came in on my shift, had 16 cutout valves turned, by a car inspector trying to isolate the problem car near Reading, as it kept going into emergency. We had to watch that kids didn't see what position we reset the air retainers to ... as they would purposely sabotage the train by setting them all upwards, to screw up the train. Their other hobby (besides opening plug door boxcars and robbing the consist) was rolling derilict spare tires down an embankment, in between couplers, to bust open the airhoses.
 
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Obviosly you didn't work for Penn Central & Conrail.
During which years? I also worked for Clownrail but in train service, yes out of the three class ones I've worked for it was the best, but not as good as you describe, lol.
 
Cascade Railroad

You're like 15 years old. Just because daddy has a friend that works for some butt scratch RR and got you to go out for a day doesn't mean you're a railroader.
 
I so wish that was true ... to be young again. You are so lucky to not know in person what LP's, Reel to Reel, 8Track tapes, Gilbert Erector Set, the Lone Ranger, the G38-G39 (Hooker Hetrofoam) Polythelene Foaming Program, repacking cotton journal wadding, and having to patch a rusted out sidesheet by having to slide down, and to run back up a slipery dusty coal hopper slope sheet in order to get back out ... etc ... etc, were like.

BTW: I think I read that the engineer of 8888 was hired under PRR in 1966, which would make him an old fuddyduddy, like in his 60's ?

Overall: I can't wait to see the movie.

Edit: Well ... Ya' don't Have to get Snippy about it:p Pbbbbbbbt ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_257253&v=RWZyJukAWBk&feature=iv
 
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I so wish that was true ... to be young again. You are so lucky to not know in person what LP's, Reel to Reel, 8Track tapes, Gilbert Erector Set, the Lone Ranger, the G38-G39 (Hooker Hetrofoam) Polythelene Foaming Program, repacking cotton journal wadding, and having to patch a rusted out sidesheet by having to slide down, and to run up, a slipery coal hopper slope sheet in order to get back out ... etc ... were like.

Overall: I can't wait to see the movie.

I fail to realize how a train service employee needs to know how patching a side sheet on a hopper relates to a conductor in any way. Or for anything of what you mentioned for that matter.
 
I so wish that was true ... to be young again. You are so lucky to not know in person what LP's, Reel to Reel, 8Track tapes, Gilbert Erector Set, the Lone Ranger, the G38-G39 (Hooker Hetrofoam) Polythelene Foaming Program, repacking cotton journal wadding, and having to patch a rusted out sidesheet by having to slide down, and to run back up a slipery dusty coal hopper slope sheet in order to get back out ... etc ... etc, were like.

BTW: I think I read that the engineer of 8888 was hired under PRR in 1966, which would make him an old fuddyduddy, like in his 60's ?

Overall: I can't wait to see the movie.

Edit: Well ... Ya' don't Have to get Snippy about it:p Pbbbbbbbt ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_257253&v=RWZyJukAWBk&feature=iv

I had an 8 track player in my car in high school.:hehe:

Never worked on the railroad, all my war stories involve working on F-15's in the Air Force.
 
From what I hear the movie came around to some towns near me to film last year so I'm really excited to see this movie. Even if it sucks, it can not suck as much as a Uwe Boll movie. :hehe:
 
I want to see it for a laugh. My wife hates to watch these kind of shows with me because I always comment on how this & that are B.S.:hehe:

Dave H.
 
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