Having to delete a Trackmark to rename it.

[WestSideRailways]

Have a slight problem here, was trying to change the names of some of my Trackmarks.
Tried in Surveyor and in Session. The name would not stick after saving and going back into Either Surveyor / session.
Now have gone into Surveyor and deleted said trackmarks and placed them again with the new names and so far all good.!

 

[JackDownUnder]

In surveyor select Track F4 then select Track Mark mode then Track Marker then the ?.
This will indicate the name of the Track Mark.
Select the name and change as required.
I use Surveyor Classic, not 2, as I have not become accustomed with it due to the fact that my route while still in progress was commence with version 2004 of Trainz and I was not prepared to learn how to use it.
I do spend a lot of time in adding to my sessions and where necessary make minor route adjustments and add, in this case Track Marks as required.
Always ensuring that both boxes are ticked when exiting.

 

[stagecoach]

Sometimes they only change after an exit or after doing other work. There seems to be a delay in Trainz accepting the new name.

 

[JackDownUnder]

Never had that experience, I see the change immediately after saving the change.

 

[pware]

Like @JackDownUnder I have never experienced that issue. Trackmarks (and all other objects) are renamed as soon as I hit the Enter key.

Tried in Surveyor and in Session. The name would not stick after saving and going back into Either Surveyor / session.

One thing that is not clear in your description.

In Surveyor 2.0 are you selecting the Trackmark (using either the Free Move or the Fine Adjustment tools) and then editing its name in the Info Palette? The name is changed as soon as I hit the Enter key.

Another unclear point is what do you mean by "in Session"?

 

[WestSideRailways]

Like @JackDownUnder I have never experienced that issue. Trackmarks (and all other objects) are renamed as soon as I hit the Enter key.



One thing that is not clear in your description.

In Surveyor 2.0 are you selecting the Trackmark (using either the Free Move or the Fine Adjustment tools) and then editing its name in the Info Palette? The name is changed as soon as I hit the Enter key.

Another unclear point is what do you mean by "in Session"?

When changing the "ROUTE" I am in Surveyor.

When setting up the "SESSION" I am in Session.

Allways keep these 2 thing separate.!

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when I want to change a name, I just click on the item on the route, then click on the name in the info palette and the name changes. BUT IF YOU READ MY FIRST POST, you would know that after saving the name goes back to the original.

 

[pware]

YES, I did read your post but there are things that are NOT CLEAR (since you seem to like using caps).

When setting up a "SESSION" you are in Surveyor. There is only SURVEYOR and DRIVER, there is no SESSION mode.

Is the LAYER containing the trackmarks LOCKED by any chance?

 

[WestSideRailways]

When setting up a "SESSION" you are in Surveyor. There is only SURVEYOR and DRIVER, there is no SESSION mode.

I disagree with you on that point .!

Why is there 2 options when opening Trainz.............????

You have option #1 ROUTE
You have option #2 SESSION

I REST MY CASE...................

If I want to use UPPER CASE...... I am trying to make a POINT.!!

 

[pware]

If you are editing anything in a route or a session then you are using Surveyor.

The analogy that I use is to put it all into computer terms. The Route is the HARDWARE - it contains the physical objects (buildings, tracks, signals, etc). The Session is the SOFTWARE - the instructions (driver commands, rules, industry settings, wagon loads, etc) that control those physical objects.

When you say that you are "in Session" you actually mean that you are using Surveyor to edit a Session Layer but the route and session are both loaded into Surveyor.

A common problem with loading and editing a session in Surveyor (and I am not claiming that this is the issue you are having, but it is a possibility) is that you load, edit and save the session (and there is always the possibility that you have saved the route and not the session but that is another issue) and then exit Surveyor/Trainz. Then you load the route again but not the session so those edits do not appear.

 

[WestSideRailways]

If you are editing anything in a route or a session then you are using Surveyor.

The analogy that I use is to put it all into computer terms. The Route is the HARDWARE - it contains the physical objects (buildings, tracks, signals, etc). The Session is the SOFTWARE - the instructions (driver commands, rules, industry settings, wagon loads, etc) that control those physical objects.

When you say that you are "in Session" you actually mean that you are using Surveyor to edit a Session Layer but the route and session are both loaded into Surveyor.

A common problem with loading and editing a session in Surveyor (and I am not claiming that this is the issue you are having, but it is a possibility) is that you load, edit and save the session (and there is always the possibility that you have saved the route and not the session but that is another issue) and then exit Surveyor/Trainz. Then you load the route again but not the session so those edits do not appear.

I go into a session and change a name of something and save the session, then that name should stay at the latest save untill it is changed again CORRECT?

When I open Trainz again , it does not matter how I open as the route/session is the same map, so the name should stay the same.???

Here is a question for everybody..............

Is a session the same as a route, if you change a name on one , does the other also change, OR are they different.????

 

[paulper]

Akin to pware’s response, if you are editing the name of an object that was previously added and saved to the Route layer, editing the name and then only saving the Session will result in this behaviour. You should’ve been invited to save both

 

[pware]

I just tested the following scenarios on a route and session that has trackmarks in the route layer.

1. I opened the session in Surveyor (loading both the route and the session) and selected a trackmark. Using the Info Palette (in Surveyor 2.0) I changed its name and the name change appeared on the trackmark after I hit the enter key. I then selected the Save option (Ctrl + S or Save from the main menu). I was only offered the opportunity to save the Session as either a new session or by overwriting the original session - despite the fact that the trackmark was in a route layer. I chose to overwrite the original session. I exited Surveyor and then reloaded the session (route + session) into Surveyor. The trackmark name had not been changed as you had observed.
2. I then used my normal method of editing a route by loading only the route into Surveyor (no session was loaded). I selected the same trackmark and, again using the Info Palette, changed its name. I selected save and again was offered the two options of saving a new session or overwriting the original session - despite the fact that the trackmark is still in a route layer. In this case you will always be offered the opportunity to save the session when only a route has been loaded because the session will contain the default settings on many objects (e.g. industries, etc). No offer to save a new route of overwrite an existing route was given.
3. I repeated step 2 above but first I moved the trackmark to a session layer as well as renaming it. This time I was offered the opportunity to save the route and session.

This appears to be a bug.

The workaround is to move the trackmark (or object) slightly (or select Rotate Trackside twice) then save. This will give you all the options to save the route with or without saving the session (and the various combinations of such).

The problem here, I suspect, is that many (all) objects can have properties stored in either the route or the session. This makes sense for some things such as the Environmental settings, switch directions (you can have a switch set in a different direction in sessions compared to the route) and a few other things. For some reason the name of an object is treated as a session property and the program has to be reminded that this is not the case.

I will submit a bug report.

 

[pware]

Now have gone into Surveyor and deleted said trackmarks and placed them again with the new names and so far all good.!

N3V QA have replied to my bug report.

I have confirmed with the team that the rename should trigger a route edit.

I have raised the issue with the dev team, it seems to be related to trackside objects. Other objects do in fact trigger a route edit flag, and it's only track side assets.

The fix will obviously have to wait until the next beta release (at the earliest) and the next SP update for non-betas. In the meanwhile the workaround is to move the track object (or rotate it twice) to trigger the route update and save.

 

[JackDownUnder]

I do not have issues with manipulating a track mark's properties in either Route editing nor Session editing.
The only difference being, when saving in Session editing both boxes need to be ticked.
I only edit with the original surveyor, do not use the latest one.

 

[pware]

both boxes need to be ticked

Which two boxes?

 

[JackDownUnder]

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