jadebullet
might be back?
Is auran even a financially backed corporation?
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Is auran even a financially backed corporation?
jadebullet
might be back?
Not necessarily. NVRFail probably just acquired them just for the trainz side of things. FCT plus multiple game sales was probably enough for them. Then mediocre sales of 2010 probably forced this action.(Not that it is nessisary.)
This is all speculation btw.
This is all speculation btw.
amigacooke
Well-known member
I agree, but you still will have your house and any items that you have bought into your house. What you won't have is Auran delivering items to you free at any time you fancy while bearing the cost of that service themselves.
As it is on my side also, but knowing the facts makes for a boring debate
Cheers David
amigacooke
Well-known member
That is partially true, but the content exists because of Trainz, not the other way round.
jadebullet
might be back?
Actually, without the third party content, there would be no trainz. You see, the person/people who came up with the idea of trainz was/were pretty smart. They wanted to create a model railroad simulator, V-scale modeling if you will, that relied extensively on content created by the customers of said program. There were a few things to get people started, but where it shined was in its ability to incorporate third party content, rather than relying heavily upon company made content. If the thrid party content never took off, the game would ultimately fail. Hence, the promotion of content creation, as well as the implementation of the DLS, a place to put your content.
Trainz and user made content are mutually reliable. Without Trainz, there is no 3rd party content. (Actually, if Auran pulls the plug, as long as someone grabs the DLS assets and creates a database, then it still exists like how MSTS exists.) Without third party content, all you have is the original SD40 and a few other default assets. (The new SD40 was purchased from a third party so that doesn't count. And it also explains why, despite the beta testers of 09 informing Auran constantly, the SD40 was still shipped completely out of proportion with the prototype.)
Oh, and my house analogy still stands, as the DLS isn't free. You have to purchase First class tickets in order for it to work at its full capacity. (Not that it helps some times, such as now when(after I had just purchased a new FCT) the server is too busy due to the panic that this BS move has created.
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amigacooke
Well-known member
Well if you buy an FCT, which you say you have to anyway, then you won't be cut off from the DLS.
I paid Aud$90 for TRS04 six and a half years ago which on current exchange ratres is £54. That means I have contributed just under a tenner to Auran for each year of ownership. Out of that they have had to pay for the cost of hosting, bandwidth, maintenance and support. In all conscience I can't say I feel hard done by.
I like the "I'm not going to buy a new version of Trainz because you are taking away support for 2004" from the people who obviously had no intention of buying a new version of Trainz anyway. =)
Name one game that is over six years old that still had support from the developer? I know many of you are not "gamers" here. The reality in the digital gaming world is that technology is constantly changing and programmers are always learning new and better ways of getting things done. In order to move forward they need to drop the old and focus on the new. Right now 2004 content is causing more problems with 2010 than the fact that they shipped it with broken built-in routes and session. The option is... drop 2010 or drop 2004/2006. I think they made the right choice. I know a few content creators that only work with 2004. You know what? As time goes by people are going to be asking for 2010 content. So, you will have to s**t or get off the pot at some point anyway. Get over it. It is just how technology works.
Name one game that is over six years old that still had support from the developer? I know many of you are not "gamers" here. The reality in the digital gaming world is that technology is constantly changing and programmers are always learning new and better ways of getting things done. In order to move forward they need to drop the old and focus on the new. Right now 2004 content is causing more problems with 2010 than the fact that they shipped it with broken built-in routes and session. The option is... drop 2010 or drop 2004/2006. I think they made the right choice. I know a few content creators that only work with 2004. You know what? As time goes by people are going to be asking for 2010 content. So, you will have to s**t or get off the pot at some point anyway. Get over it. It is just how technology works.
john_goddard
Steam freak
At last a bit of commonsense in this thread, I totally agree with your view. Ts2010 is brilliant and I am now committed to building my Transdem based SDJR route in it, John.
meatloaf747
Spotter...
Good question, I would think someone had to put up the money to keep Trainz going after Auran developments crashed due to the Fury saga. Cheers David
David,
I have been following your posts in this tread and without seeming like I'm trying to p_ss in your pocket, it great to read someone else's views that are similar to my own.
I can understand some of the posts in this thread are from newbie’s (& teenagers), but to read some of the views of some of the so called "mature Trainz veterans" really surprises and amazes me.
To me, in some cases, it's the same old, same old, “me, me, me”... - Some will use this latest developments as an excuse to say; - "that's why I haven't brought any other version of Trainz’s since 2004" and "there's no way in h_ll I'm ever going to buy a FCT". - No way ho-say!!! - Not until NV3/Auran beg me, or they do this and or they do that, or they give FCT's away for free...
Some of these same old clo_ns have been whining and bitching for the last 5+ years. Same bitching, different topic....
Well, I say to all these "bleep" witt's that no matter what NV3/Auran does, some of you will never be really happy with "ya lot". No matter what. Ever.
At the end of the day, this is only a trains sim, for heavens sake.
We should all be on the same side here. I was really hoping that 09 would pull the community together. Didn’t happen. Had new hopes when 2010 was launched. Hasn’t happened so-far. Still believe that if the Trainz community is ever going to be on the same page, 2010 is going to be that page.
Most harden Trainz addicts spend a minimum of a few hundred hours a year in this sim. If it cost $50 bucks every year or two to get the latest, and another $25 bucks (a year) to get unlimited downloads. That seems pretty cheap to me!!!
I don't really see what a lot of you are bitching about... It's really peanuts for the amount of use and pleasure most dedicated Trainzer fans get out of the sim each year... So that the "monkey's" understand, that's peanut's a year. (for most)...
Changes are going to happen whether we like it or not. Out with the "old, error ridden, no one wants to repair or bring up to the new spec's stuff" & in with the new. That's the way it's been since Adam was a cowboy... My general philosophy in life is replace; car, TV, stereo, wife/girlfriend, etc, periodically. :hehe: I can just see the ladies of the community saying don't forget " husbands"... (I'm only kidding with wife's & girlfriends)...
As far as NV3/Auran decision making is concerned, they are paying the weekly wages bill and I think some of you really need to get back into understanding the big picture in the real commercial world. Simple things like costs & expenses just in staying in business, etc, etc….
Auran went "broke" in 2006. Yes that's right, belly up, "full blown broke", owing millions. "Yes millions"
That got the bank managers and a number of other Auran shareholders really "Furious" and p_ssed off. After all, at the end of the day, it was there money that went down that big old “Fury” bottom less “plug-hole”... Hey, s_it happens….
That's why 95%+ of the decision makers at Auran in the early to mid 2000's aren't with the new company... (One in particular that we haven't heard from in 14 plus months)...
Holy hell, as the official assignees - receivers said, “there has to be some value left in this shell company”. Now where could it be ???
Someone piped up and said there has to be some value in the Trainz side of the old Auran business. Large loyal community, regularly purchasing new versions of Trainz & FCT's every year or two. Loyal client base/customers…
Hey, maybe that's sell-able. Guest what? someone/some company saw the potential and coughed up the money to buy what was left of the old "Auran” - Trainz's company shell, (and guest what also, they are now trying to recover some of the large capital outlay they injected into purchasing the company). and good on them.
Bottom line is, if someone hadn't couched up that capital outlay to keep the Trainz franchise alive/in business, we would all be playing either, 04, 06, MSTS, or Railworks.
I really don't think some of you cl_wn's full understand just how close "Auran/Trainz" came to being in simple terms "HISTORY" - That's belly up, gone forever history, in simple English.
S_it, just look at what happened to MSTS. (MS worth billions, still pulled in 13.5 billion 09 last quarter, spent millions in trying to develope MSTS2 and still said at the end of the day, "there's no money to be made in Trains & Flight Sims" and pulled the plug)...
"FURY" decisions put Auran millions of dollars in debt. Auran goes broke. New company purchases old Auran SHELL in late 06/early 07. New company continues to plough more and more money into the development & support of Trainz.
2010, new company ties to implement new plan/s to generate more revenue and to try and help recover some of it’s initial capital outlay they outlayed to purchase Trainz sim.
New company seems to meet some “same old, furious resistant” from the same old “beep, beep’s" that will never really understand the big picture... Trainz future is not only in our hands, but also there’s…
Please, let’s try and all work together, in partnership… If we can work together, it’s a win, win, situation all around... As the age old saying goes, one can't survive without the other. I'm trying to do my part, are you?
The philosophical side of "Iber" Mac. - :hehe: - Happy Trainzing…………
Cheers, Mac...
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lulz ^^
The third party bit and DLS ( content distribution system ,for which Greg still holds patents , I believe ) came later .... the orignal idea was that we would get " collectible " models ... kool thingz , if you will , much like the orignal website / forum .
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amigacooke
Well-known member
I agree apart from the parts where you insult people.
Just a thought, but can my computer run TRS2010 ? (XP sp3, pentium 4, 2.4ghz ,2GB ram Nvidia geforce FX5200) if so, no problem. If not then i will just have to get a FCT. If i want to upload anything i will just have to change the build version in the config file, am i right ? if so still no problem. All in all, its just a storm in a teacup.
As many have stated in other threads. In reality virtually all content on the DLS that doesn't work in 2010 as delivered is repairable. I along with many others have repaired 10's of thousands of items to work in 2010 native mode. I would love it if Auran could either repair them themselves (very unlikely due to amount of hours involved) or allow others to repair the item and resubmit them (leaving full credit to original author in there) and obsolete the old (broken) item. The vast majority of items that show as broken in 2010 are simple typo's either by the author or they occurred during upload. They could set the build number so it would work in 04 and up. Items that are error free with 04 build numbers work fine in 2010. This would clear up a lot of the troubles that we are experiencing now and make 2010 more enjoyable straight out of the box. This would also I would think extend the usability of these items and hopefully keep everyone happy.
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That does seem to be the case as I just tried it, although I didn't try the cdp out in the higher game version. I don't see offhand why you couldn't make something in 04 and then use the import content function to bring it into 2010 and then fix errors that show up, assuming they are fixable. I haven't been spending any time in the wiki site, so I don't know about these things.
meatloaf747
Spotter...
Hi amigacooke,
My comments weren't directed at you or any other individual/s. They where more designed to get one or two of the community to get there heads out of there you know what's and look at the big picture. Not just their world, but the big picture. (instead of this me, me, me crap that we get from some)...
Some people live in a shell, and there expressed views often seem like they only ever see one side of the coin in life...
I don't profess to know the answers, and we are certainly living in an ever changing world. Whether you love or hate the new proposed changes, NV3/Auran need too make some commercial decisions that will be unpopular with a some, (maybe a lot), but as they see it, in the overall best interest of the majority, (including there own best interests).
At the end of the day NV3/Auran has to make decisions that give itself the best possible chance of keeping the cash-flow coming in, to staying in business. If NV3/Auran stays afloat, NV3/Auran continues to have the resources to continue to develope Trainz. New versions launched ever year or two that continues the evolution of Trainz's and hopefully keep the majority of the community happy.
Cheers, Mac....
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