Has anyone made this street car from 1940s
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Looks like a PCC car to me - there are a number of old legacy versions available in Trainz, made by lrv3400 (in various Boston MBTA liveries) on the DLS, but they're looking a little tired now. Apparently there is an updated version in the works, but I'm not certain.
Because I'm such a nice person, here is the DLS link for you (bare in mind these are for Trainz 1.3/04 and may not work in latest versions without a lot of debugging and fiddling around.): http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_packcontents.php?AssetPackID=273
Because I'm such a nice person, here is the DLS link for you (bare in mind these are for Trainz 1.3/04 and may not work in latest versions without a lot of debugging and fiddling around.): http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_packcontents.php?AssetPackID=273
They don't look like PCC cars to me - more like Brill cars in use in 1941. PCC cars look like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/knelson27/7095354909/
From the Muni line in San Francisco. They do show up a bit later in the 1980 section of the film. These streetcars are from the late 1930s through the 1940s.
I grew up riding these in Boston. They were the staple of the trolley lines, now Green Line for decades. I think they ran for about 50 years before they were retired in 1980.
http://images.nycsubway.org/i14000/img_14139.jpg
LOL The link to this picture came from here, via Bing Images!
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?45778-PCC-Trolley-runs
John
http://www.flickr.com/photos/knelson27/7095354909/
From the Muni line in San Francisco. They do show up a bit later in the 1980 section of the film. These streetcars are from the late 1930s through the 1940s.
I grew up riding these in Boston. They were the staple of the trolley lines, now Green Line for decades. I think they ran for about 50 years before they were retired in 1980.
http://images.nycsubway.org/i14000/img_14139.jpg
LOL The link to this picture came from here, via Bing Images!
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?45778-PCC-Trolley-runs
John
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I wonder too if he's referring to the LRV. The modern one is a Boeing LRV. San Francisco's Muni and Boston's MBTA were the first companies to buy these from Boeing in the late 1970s. Boston purchased the LRVs to replace the very old PCCs, but initial fleet had teething problems so the old, venerable, PCC cars were pulled from the scrap lines and put into service for another couple of years. Today there are some old PCCs still in use, all restored and dolled up, running on the T's Mattapan High Speed line, but all of the Boeings have been scrapped starting in 1987!
Boeing LRV on the Muni:
http://www.lightrail.com/photos/sanfrancisco/sanfrancisco04.jpg
There are both kinds of trolleys (LRVs and PCC cars) on the DLS. They are older equipment, but can be updated to be error free. They have the usual errors that most older content has.
John
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I acquired what is painted as a Toronto Transit Commission PCC with either M-Line 2006 or M-Line PE by Alfred Barten from http://virtualrailroader.com/TrainzDL.html. Strangely enough, this car has a left-hand set of doors, which I thought were peculiar to Boston cars. The car allegedly was done for Trainz 2006, but they work nicely on my 2012 software, except that the doors don't open.
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I also acquired several PCC cars on the layout Municipal Transit Railroad made by tume, which I believe came with the Trainz 2010 software. Even though they are all single-end cars, they have poles on both ends, which strongly suggests that they are San Francisco cars.
I noticed that too. Boston also acquired some "Texas Cars" too which were double-ended. I remember riding one some when I was a kid, probably 7 or 8 at the time. The cars mostly ended up on the Mattapan Line. Out of the 25 acquired, 14 survive with a good lot of them in service still on the High Speed line. The others are at the Seashore Trolley Museum and other museums around the country.
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?37144
I'm not sure if the doors ever opened on models. The cab also has that odd panel inside too and they have the wrong horn and bell, but who cares. It's great to run them anyway.
John
Presumably since the OP referred to a "from the 1940's" streetcar he was referring to the streetcar shown from 5:50 through 6:05. Frustratingly it is almost possible to make out the streetcar number in this footage.
You can find more information on the SF historical streetcar collection here http://www.streetcar.org/
And a complete roster of their rolling stock here http://www.streetcar.org/streetcars/roster.html
By clicking on the streetcar number you will see a page containing extensive information on each car. On the right hand side below the specifications is a link to photos. They have a lot of single ended cars from around the country and around the world so finding this particular car may be difficult. Given the distinctive styling of the front and rear windows I would hazard a guess that this is a pre-war streetcar.
You can find more information on the SF historical streetcar collection here http://www.streetcar.org/
And a complete roster of their rolling stock here http://www.streetcar.org/streetcars/roster.html
By clicking on the streetcar number you will see a page containing extensive information on each car. On the right hand side below the specifications is a link to photos. They have a lot of single ended cars from around the country and around the world so finding this particular car may be difficult. Given the distinctive styling of the front and rear windows I would hazard a guess that this is a pre-war streetcar.
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[Because I'm such a nice person, here is the DLS link for you (bare in mind these are for Trainz 1.3/04 and may not work in latest versions without a lot of debugging and fiddling around.):http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS_pac...ssetPackID=273]
I downloaded this pack of 5 cars to my Trainz 12 system. Of the five, three of them showed up in Railyard:
Type 5 PCC MBTA Orange 1
" " Green 3
" " Green 1
I took a two car train of one of these cars for a ride on the M-Line PE from Virtualrailroader.com, and with the exception of the following complaints, they work OK:
* Doors don't open at station stops
* Poles are permanently up (can't be lowered), also don't follow the trolley wire.
* The horn makes a diesel horn sound
* No bell
Relatively few PCC cars ever got horns. Cars on the MBTA Mattapan and Riverside lines had good reason to have them. Note that Riverside has (or had) a golf cart crossing!
Likewise, the Pittsburg Railways cars that went to Library or Drake (a remnant of the interurban line that once went to Washington, PA) had horns.
I downloaded this pack of 5 cars to my Trainz 12 system. Of the five, three of them showed up in Railyard:
Type 5 PCC MBTA Orange 1
" " Green 3
" " Green 1
I took a two car train of one of these cars for a ride on the M-Line PE from Virtualrailroader.com, and with the exception of the following complaints, they work OK:
* Doors don't open at station stops
* Poles are permanently up (can't be lowered), also don't follow the trolley wire.
* The horn makes a diesel horn sound
* No bell
Relatively few PCC cars ever got horns. Cars on the MBTA Mattapan and Riverside lines had good reason to have them. Note that Riverside has (or had) a golf cart crossing!
Likewise, the Pittsburg Railways cars that went to Library or Drake (a remnant of the interurban line that once went to Washington, PA) had horns.
i rode the PCC trolley many times between Washington Pa and Pittsburgh in the late 40's and up to 1954. Very scenic ride. These trolleys also had a spot light mounted up front on top of the roof for better vision at night in the rural settings.
These trolleys were a beautiful design which still seems fresh and modern after almost 70 years. Very streamlined, and not at all boxy like modern light rail cars now in use.
If he is, that's one of only two PCCs that wore the "Lador" paint scheme. See pic below, from this page.
"In the late 1970s, near the end of Muni’s first PCC era, a handful of streetcars got a cosmetic refurbishment, which included the new “Landor” paint scheme created pro bono for Muni by famed San Francisco industrial designer Walter Landor. (This included the first use of Muni’s current wiggly logo, aka “the Worm.”)
According to this page by Corgi, only two cars received the Landor paint scheme -- cars nos. 1038 and 1040.
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George,
If you by chance imported your content from your previous versions, then these may have been hijackers along for the ride. The MBTA PCCs look great anyway when they're in operation. I sometimes run them on the loop line on my Gloucester Terminal Electric. They look great pulling into the stations and give me flashbacks of riding the "T" along the Riverside line out to Newton.
John
OK since this thread is responsible for my getting distracted by Streetcars, Trolleys, and Trams...
It turns out that if you use Tume's dummy PCC trolley pole with bearcat245 really remarkable collection of Sydney Trams you end up with a bunch of nice rolling stock on Tume's Municipal Transit Railroad route.
I think I can get quite a few more of the various Streetcars, Trolleys, and Trams on this route and end up with something very like the San Francisco collection. FUN!
It's all your fault OP!
It turns out that if you use Tume's dummy PCC trolley pole with bearcat245 really remarkable collection of Sydney Trams you end up with a bunch of nice rolling stock on Tume's Municipal Transit Railroad route.
I think I can get quite a few more of the various Streetcars, Trolleys, and Trams on this route and end up with something very like the San Francisco collection. FUN!
It's all your fault OP!
