Hard drive selection help

constar261

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Been running trainz a while and the time has some for a hard drive was thinking of getting a seagate exos hybrid for my trainz data folder and leaving my trainz 22 core on an ssd samsung pro sata drive. Any other suggestions on hard disks or ssds for my data folders as i've filled a 8TB drive?
 
Purely personal point of view but WD drives traditionally have seen a lower failure rate. How much disk do you need? I might go with WD Gold drives for preference although nvme drives are faster.

Step one dump the obsolete duplicate assets in your database.

Step two Go to the dev tab and do you really need 7 backups?

Step three can you manage with what you have?

There are a few crucial gen 4 4 TBs floating around at the moment at a reasonable price. The latest are gen 5 and are more expensive but gen 4 in a PCEi slot will give you very good results. I've run Trainz from an external ssd connected via a USB 3 connection and the performance isn't bad.

The other question is back ups, I'd suggest an external drive, I use a Ugreen case and an internal drive. You can turn the power off when not in use and when eth power is off no malware can scramble your data.

Cheerio John
 
Purely personal point of view but WD drives traditionally have seen a lower failure rate. How much disk do you need? I might go with WD Gold drives for preference although nvme drives are faster.

Step one dump the obsolete duplicate assets in your database.

Step two Go to the dev tab and do you really need 7 backups?

Step three can you manage with what you have?

There are a few crucial gen 4 4 TBs floating around at the moment at a reasonable price. The latest are gen 5 and are more expensive but gen 4 in a PCEi slot will give you very good results. I've run Trainz from an external ssd connected via a USB 3 connection and the performance isn't bad.

The other question is back ups, I'd suggest an external drive, I use a Ugreen case and an internal drive. You can turn the power off when not in use and when eth power is off no malware can scramble your data.

Cheerio John
My core the the trainz engine and its data are on the ssd my data folders that it pulls from are on a 8tb drive
 
A couple of things to remember, SATA drives are limited by the interface to around 450 to 550 MB/s, the Seagate drive is 275MB/s, sustained NVME on PCIe 4 can hit 14,000 MB/s however you need a motherboard with PCIe 4 to get there. Gen 3 SSDs at 4,000-5,000 MB/s are fast enough for PCIe 3 motherboards.

Second hard disks have two things to watch out for, rotational ie slurp up everything on this track and head movement to another track which means a delay if you aren't on the right track to start with. For big chunks of data such as TS22.exe then the head just sits on the track and slurps it up. For lots of small files the heads have to move back and forth from track to track which is an overhead. SSDs don't have that problem. So in the ideal world it makes sense to put the big contiguous files such as ts22.exe on the hard drive and the data folder on the SSD.

The cache doesn't really help much on a hard drive except when writing, and in Trainz you're really doing lots of reads. If you're lucky the file will be in the cache but with lots of small files scattered across the drive you'll need to access the physical drive.

Oh and finally big SSDs make more sense as the wear is spread over a larger area so a brand name 8 TB SSD would be nice.

Have fun

Cheerio John
 
So trainz core on the sshdd then data folders on the ssd. or how would you set it up cause i have no more nvme slots and for use case the ssd i would need is way above my budget. I have cleaned out duplicate files but many i keep cause they have mappings i reference.
 
So trainz core on the sshdd then data folders on the ssd. or how would you set it up cause i have no more nvme slots and for use case the ssd i would need is way above my budget. I have cleaned out duplicate files but many i keep cause they have mappings i reference.
If you have a desktop then with luck you'll see an empty PCIe slot. You can get an adapter which drops in and takes an NVME drive. Depending on your motherboard they can take four NVME drives but that depends on your BIOS or whatever they call it these days supporting more than one drive in the slot.

USB bandwidth for 3 is around 5 Gbit/s, some 3.2 can reach 20 Gbit/s which is above a SATA connection so an external drive works quite well. Ugreen even have an enclosure for an NVME drive that plugs it into a USB port.

Have fun

Cheerio John
 
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