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RubeTube said:
Actually the NS reused the 16-645F blocks(crankcases) from the the 50 series units and remanufactured them to E3 specs for testing on a couple of these SD40E units, but not all of them due to the unmatched reliability of the E3 block. The F3 in the SD50s had an abundance of oil feed problems and the fact the oil lube lines, feed lines, and pump were famous for failing and causing the crankcase to starve for oil which creates internal friction and valvetrain misfire and slippage and blows the dam crankcase. This is why NS is sticking to the E3s for the 40Es. I dont care if I win, but honestly both engines should be deemed as an appropiate answer. The block is the base for the engine and when a F3 block is used and remanufactured to the E3, you pretty much two engines in one due to the mixed parts.
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The engines in the SD40Es are 16-645E3Cs. The SD50s had 16-645F not F3 engines. The engine block for all 16-645 engines are the same wether it is a 645E, 645E3, 645E3C or 645F. The difference is fuel system config and turbo or lack of a turbo. These differences account for the difference of horsepower of the engines. 645E is 2000HP non-turbo, 645E3 is 3000HP turbocharged, 645E3C is 3000HP turbocharged micro-processor equipped, and 645F is 3500HP turbocharged. NS rebuilt the 16-645F engines to 16-645E3C by changing the turbos and other thing like adding the micro-processor. With these changes came the horsepower derate from 3500HP to 3000HP. All that description was said to say this, the 16-645E3C is not the same as the 16-645F. They have to same block, heads, ect., but that is where the similarity ends.


Paul
 
Sorry about the small pic.
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What is it.
Who owned it.
When was it built.
How many were built.
What happened to several of this loco class.
Where is this one now.
 
ptrainman said:
The engines in the SD40Es are 16-645E3Cs. The SD50s had 16-645F not F3 engines. The engine block for all 16-645 engines are the same wether it is a 645E, 645E3, 645E3C or 645F. The difference is fuel system config and turbo or lack of a turbo. These differences account for the difference of horsepower of the engines. 645E is 2000HP non-turbo, 645E3 is 3000HP turbocharged, 645E3C is 3000HP turbocharged micro-processor equipped, and 645F is 3500HP turbocharged. NS rebuilt the 16-645F engines to 16-645E3C by changing the turbos and other thing like adding the micro-processor. With these changes came the horsepower derate from 3500HP to 3000HP. All that description was said to say this, the 16-645E3C is not the same as the 16-645F. They have to same block, heads, ect., but that is where the similarity ends.


Paul
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True that. While the block in it's entirety, is the same, you would be surprised to know that the crankshaft and valvetrain components actually vary a little bit. You are right about the fuel system. That was a major concern for the SD50s as well as the oil system. The SD40Es do have the E3Cs. I never said that they didnt, but one or two of them were equipped with the F crankcase and its contents, (Basically the same E3C block, but with a variation of internals and valvetrain components) for testing on the old 50 series engine components to see how they would hold up in todays heavy haulage style stress, especially considering that these locomotives are mostly used as pushers. We both have valid points. This was more of a healthy debate than an arguement lol which is good. Basically, it is all useless because the units that did have the F components, have since been replaced with the E3C and it's Components. Thank you for your wise input as well. I like talking locomotives with people who can follow my conversation and know the difference between engine oil and lube oil lol.
 
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RubeTube said:
True that. While the block in it's entirety, is the same, you would be surprised to know that the crankshaft and valvetrain components actually vary a little bit. You are right about the fuel system. That was a major concern for the SD50s as well as the oil system. The SD40Es do have the E3Cs. I never said that they didnt, but one or two of them were equipped with the F crankcase and its contents, (Basically the same E3C block, but with a variation of internals and valvetrain components) for testing on the old 50 series engine components to see how they would hold up in todays heavy haulage style stress, especially considering that these locomotives are mostly used as pushers. We both have valid points. This was more of a healthy debate than an arguement lol which is good. Basically, it is all useless because the units that did have the F components, have since been replaced with the E3C and it's Components. Thank you for your wise input as well. I like talking locomotives with people who can follow my conversation and know the difference between engine oil and lube oil lol.
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I see your point and it is a good one. As with you I am glad to have someone to discuss locomotives with that knows what I am talking about. I don't know many people that can keep up with what I am saying after I get very specific.

Paul
 
Ok. so it has been two days now and there is still no picture. So, I will go ahead and break the ice.

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What locomotive is it?
Who made it?
What bogeys does it have?
What is their running number range for this railroad?
When were they built?
 
RubeTube said:
Ok. so it has been two days now and there is still no picture. So, I will go ahead and break the ice.

15rcorr.jpg


What locomotive is it?
Who made it?
What bogeys does it have?
What is their running number range for this railroad?
When were they built?
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EMD SD50
EMD
EMD HT-C
NS 6506-6525 Orignal and NS 5400-5477 form Conrail
1980-1986



Paul
 
ptrainman said:
EMD SD50
EMD
EMD HT-C
NS 6506-6525 Orignal and NS 5400-5477 form Conrail
1980-1986



Paul
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Close but wrong. You are on the right track. The locomotive is EXTREMELY close but still wrong. It is a SD50 but what SD50? There is something that goes at the end of SD50. It is one letter. Get that one letter that comes after SD50, and you got it. The running numbers are wrong, and the Ex-Railroad is wrong. The build dates, manufacturer, and bogey type are correct.
 
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ptrainman said:
It will be atleast Friday before I get a chance to post a pic, so if anyone want to call dibz go ahead.
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Hope nobody minds if I jump in then? Here you go.

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What type locomotive is it?
Who made it?
When were they built?
Power output?
Who was the operating company?
A kudos bonus if you know where this one is?
 
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pfx said:
Hope nobody minds if I jump in then? Here you go.

DSCN0004.jpg


What locomotive is it?
Who made it?
When were they built?
Power output?
Who was the operating company?
A kudos bonus if you know where this one is?
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Looks like a dolled up British class 31 but in belguim lol
 
pfx said:
You're waaaaaaaay off the mark there.
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Irish rail 141 class 146:p :wave: .
Don't no what year it was made though the couplings gave a bit of it away.
There's more built 1962? General motors
I'd say that was probaly in northern Ireland.
 
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