EBT Roundhouse

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bendorsey

Bridge-n-trestle builder
I have 3 photos which should be enough to make the 8-stall roundhouse on the 3 ft ga East Broad Top Railroad but I do not know the diameter of the turntable which has a lot to do with how its made.

Anyone know?

Also - where on the EBT is it located?

Thanks,

Ben
 
Thanks a heap. I've just completed EBT railmotor M-1 as it may have looked when originally obtained. Waiting on a photo showing the current blue and orange paint scheme to make a second version.

Printed them out and took a quick peek. You said it was located at Orbisonia, PA but they are listed as being located at Rockhill Furnace, PA. Whats the difference (if any)? The plans certainly look like the photos I have.

Ben
 
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bendorsey said:
Thanks a heap. I've just completed EBT railmotor M-1 as it may have looked when originally obtained. Waiting on a photo showing the current blue and orange paint scheme to make a second version.

Printed them out and took a quick peek. You said it was located at Orbisonia, PA but they are listed as being located at Rockhill Furnace, PA. Whats the difference (if any)? The plans certainly look like the photos I have.

Ben
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Blue and orange?

Orbisonia and Rockhill Furnace aren't the same town, but they might as well be. Rockhill Furnace was a company town, with Orbisonia being it non-company town equivalent. Separating the two is only a creek. As the towns grew as one community, they look just like one town now. The EBT facilities are located in Rockhill Furnace, but the station is named for Orbisonia and the same goes for the rest of the yard.
 
bendorsey said:
Thanks a heap. I've just completed EBT railmotor M-1 as it may have looked when originally obtained. Waiting on a photo showing the current blue and orange paint scheme to make a second version.

Printed them out and took a quick peek. You said it was located at Orbisonia, PA but they are listed as being located at Rockhill Furnace, PA. Whats the difference (if any)? The plans certainly look like the photos I have.

Ben
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Ben,
Glad you found the info useful! Here's some more recent shots of the M-1 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=89758 -Hopefully these will help.

Orbisonia and Rockhill furnace are twin villages and the EBT actually only skirts the edge of Orbisonia. The station on this site was originally known as Rockhill Furnace Station. Since freight was frequently mis-routed to two other Rockhills in the state, the name was changed to Orbisonia Station about 1905. The Post Office was located in the depot until the end of operations at which time the small brick post office was built diagonally across the road and tracks.

Link to another very useful site - http://www.spikesys.com/EBT/Tour/index.html
 
Small towns close together do tend to grow into one, lol.

Printed out one of those photos. Might be able to get enough from it to make the 2 textures.

Thanks, guys,

Ben
 
There was a Monument: "To the Twin Boroughs-Rockhill-Orbisonia"-this time capsule was entombed on the date: "such a such", and will be dug up in the year: "such and such" ... My GF blurted out: "OMG ... "They're gonna' dig up the "twin brothers" ... Oh YUK" !

I said: read carefully ... it says boroughs ... not brothers !

I am looking forward to seeing screenshots of the EBT in Trainz ... I know of at least 2 people who are working on the EBT route.
 
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Yup blue and orange.

Got textures from the one I copied so I'm in business. L etme finish what I'm working on now (won't take long) and upload both. 2004 version to TPR - 2009 version to the DLS.

Ben
 
bendorsey said:
Thanks a heap. I've just completed EBT railmotor M-1 as it may have looked when originally obtained. Waiting on a photo showing the current blue and orange paint scheme to make a second version.

Printed them out and took a quick peek. You said it was located at Orbisonia, PA but they are listed as being located at Rockhill Furnace, PA. Whats the difference (if any)? The plans certainly look like the photos I have.

Ben
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It's located in Rockhill Furnace. Orbisonia is located just across Blacklog creek. They're side by side communities. The EBT RR had US mail contracts and the passenger station contained a post office. The passenger station was named Orbisonia due to US Mail service concerns because of another post office named Rockhill located in PA. The station and the shop complex that the roundhouse is part of are located entirely in Rockhill Furnace.

The M1 is and I think usually was painted a dark green. But I haven't seen it for 2 years and I don't know what the new operator is doing. I don't recall seeing any pictures with it painted blue though. The lettering may have been orange, yellow or white depending on year you're trying to duplicate. It was purchased as a gas electric kit from the Brill Co of Philadelphia with the electric components from Westinghouse and assembled at the shop complex by EBT employees in 1927. Coach No 8 was refitted with roller bearing trucks and used as a trailer behind M1 when extra capacity was needed as M1 has seating for only 12.

Bob Pearson
 
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@ Ben; Fantastic! will be looking forward to seeing it. :)

@ Cascade; Lol.. Stupid nouns...

Yeah I started one a few years back and did a ton of research on the EBT ops in the 1900's -1950's but put it way on the back burner because I couldn't find anything close to the complex in Rockhill. Can't find anything even close to the foundry. I may have to get back on it soon though if the interest keeps up. I did mine with ll three branch lines and even did up a EBT #3 0-6-0 to do the standard gauge switching @ Mt. Union.
 
Here's a couple of pics of the M1 I took back in Oct 2006. The last one does look a bit blueish but up next to it in person - it's dark green.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n74/EBTng3/Rockhill_yard/100_0185.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n74/EBTng3/Rockhill_yard/100_0184.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n74/EBTng3/Rockhill_yard/100_0186.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n74/EBTng3/Rockhill_yard/100_0187.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n74/EBTng3/Rockhill_yard/100_0188.jpg


I had the main from Mt Union thru Robertsdale and on to Alvan and all the branch lines except the NARCO branch on Jack's mountain in the route I was making - Shirley Clay spur, Shade Gap, Shade Valley, Neelyton Rock spur, Coles Valley and the Rocky Ridge branches. Also all the yard and industrial trackage in Mt Union, Rockhill Furnace and Robertsdale and all the sidings from the 1917 survey maps. I was gathering info to add the McKelvey Bros logging rr that connected with the EBT near the old furnace site and ran partly thru the area of the old Booher Branch and then on to Ft Littleton - I have most of it mapped out. I'd always start working on it a bit and then give up for long stetches - often years. Now that I'm officially retired - I'm going to redo the whole route and start to add in all the scenery items, most of which will have to be made from scratch.

Good luck to all those modeling this much overlooked route.

Bob Pearson
 
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Both versions have been uploaded (TRS2004 version to the TPR site - 2009 version to the DLS) but the DLS upload system seems to be running a bit slow at the moment. They are passenger enabled but I didn't have a picture of the interior so the chairs are probably wrong.

Ben
 
bendorsey said:
Both versions have been uploaded (TRS2004 version to the TPR site - 2009 version to the DLS) but the DLS upload system seems to be running a bit slow at the moment. They are passenger enabled but I didn't have a picture of the interior so the chairs are probably wrong.

Ben
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Thanks for your work on this Ben. I haven't tried to dl either yet but will soon.

I thought I'd seen pictures of the interior of M-1 around someplace but the only ones I have are B&W from an article in the FEBT Timber Transfer of Summer 1988. It mentions they repainted the car in 1985 and also re-apholstered the seats at that time. I don't know if the text in the pic linked to below is legible or not but it gives a description of the color scheme used at that time.

I'll repeat it here - for the outside: "side door is oxide red, hardware black, and overall color is dark green; possibly Pullman green before 1956. Lettering for the sign is orange, which was the EBT's custom in the revenue service days."

For the passenger and freight/baggage compartments: "red oxide with a light green ceiling. Seats were re-apholstered (light green)"

Sorry the pics aren't that good but they give some indication of the interior arrgt:
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n74/EBTng3/MtUnion_yard/m-1interior.jpg

@Cascaderr I don't have any intention of releasing the route when and if I ever get around to completing it. Even if I change my mind on that it will be a couple of years into the future.

Bob Pearson
 
Yes you did miss it a bit. 8-) The last seat you have on the left is actually an enclosed lavatory. There are only 3 seats per side - 2 passengers per seat for a total capacity of 12. The mid section is open for freight and the fwd comp contains the 6 cyl gasoline engine with the generator behind it and radiator on the front left side. There's a seat on the right front for the motorman. I think there was a set of plans published for it - NGSL back in the 80's maybe. I thought I had a set so maybe I'll keep looking.

A couple of things I noticed. The original paint scheme is probably not too bad. The lettering would have been orange though at least at most times. White and yellow might have been used at one time or another. Gold appeared after 1960 when it came back as a tourist railroad.

For the tourist era - 1960 thru today - I think oxide red is more appropriate for doors and roof. The pictures I have indicate a darker red then you found. I guess you'll never satisfy everybody no matter what you do.

The loco mass was around 92000 lbs or 41700kg roughly 2/3 of the config entry. The enginespec is based on a 100 hp engine which was reduced to 80 hp to develop the throttle power curves. I think this was ok in TRS06 but I'm not sure the 20% reduction is ok for TS09 -12. I just mentioned this in another thread so I guess I'll have to do some testing now to verify if the game, since TS09, makes a 20% reduction in the config values or not.

The M-1 was rated 250 hp and the engine was said to develop 300hp which powered the generator that drove 4 - 75hp traction motors.

In any case it's a bit overweight and underpowered. 8-(

Sorry to be such a nit picker. I do like it though. It's a wonderful addition to the EBT roster.

Thanks Ben,
Bob Pearson
 
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Glad you like it. I can't say I like the modern paint scheme but its a tourist road now.

Question:

I've got the EBT roundhouse about half done and it occurs to me the stall doors shown on the photos and drawings are modern roll up style. Considering the actual openings have round tops I figure it had a different style of stall doors when originally built. If someone has a photo showing the original style of stall doors I can make two versions. As built and as it is now.

Thanks,

Ben
 
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cascaderailroad said:
Do any of the people working on an EBT Trainz route have any estimated time of release, or what version of Trainz that it will be done in ?
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Well the main person stmsoccer that had almost all done lost the route and is restarting it. The other person 817Taylor will be starting on it in the next month which will be for a fact the orginally whole 33miles of route. I don't know if stmsoccer is doing the whole route or not. Hopefully we can get more information on this.
 
I plan on doing the route as it was in the 1926, that way you get more operation with the clay pit, mines,coal transfer, and the original refractories. It is undecided yet, but I might add extra detail to this one and call it payware for this one. You can expect all of the route, plus some other peices of content hopefully.

Josh
 
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