Diesel Locmotives will go in sometime...:/
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Save fuel for the trains/planes? HA! They'll save it ONLY for the military so they can find more to keep THAT rolling! And I don't mean any government in particular, I mean ALL!
And as for saying the govs can't do it......just you wait. It's government.
Long Live Solid Wood Combustion!
Global Warming? Welcome to the Cretaceous, here's your dinosaur!
Is there in America any plan how to keep trains running if diesel just suddenly becomes unavailable?
I know that in the Soviet Union there used to be reserve bases full of old steam locomotives which could be used in an emergency.
Nowadays most of the steam engines are scrapped and the bases are full of diesel locomotives, which wouldn't be very useful if diesel would just end. I guess this would be the sight everywhere when the oil would end: http://www.parovoz.com/gallery/UAVO/20120713_378105.jpg
But I don't think that the steam engines that are left are in a working condition... http://www.parovoz.com/gallery/RU66/20120914_387202.jpg
We for our 2 000 km rail network had, I think, 4 bases. One of which was for MU's and is still used. Another one is now full of diesel locomotives. And the other two are closed. Only 3 steam locomotives remain on tracks connected to the main network - two in a museum and one on display at a country station.
I know that in the Soviet Union there used to be reserve bases full of old steam locomotives which could be used in an emergency.
Nowadays most of the steam engines are scrapped and the bases are full of diesel locomotives, which wouldn't be very useful if diesel would just end. I guess this would be the sight everywhere when the oil would end: http://www.parovoz.com/gallery/UAVO/20120713_378105.jpg
But I don't think that the steam engines that are left are in a working condition... http://www.parovoz.com/gallery/RU66/20120914_387202.jpg
We for our 2 000 km rail network had, I think, 4 bases. One of which was for MU's and is still used. Another one is now full of diesel locomotives. And the other two are closed. Only 3 steam locomotives remain on tracks connected to the main network - two in a museum and one on display at a country station.
norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
that is the thing. it isn't just going to end like someone flips a switch. there is so much oil on the planet that we know about and so much more that we don't we are very unlikely to just dry up in the time span of a day, a week, a month... you have to be realistic when talking about this stuff.
we will likely discover other renewable means of fuel before we even figure out how to reach all of the oil on earth.
we will likely discover other renewable means of fuel before we even figure out how to reach all of the oil on earth.
How to ask about this to Discovery Network?
I new technology should come.Like more Hydro Power Plants should be setup.
If there is enough fuel then why is Fuel price is going up?
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norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
the price of fuel has ZERO to do with it's availability. THAT is another subject altogether...
We are already looking into alternative fuels such as CNG (Compressed Natural Gas), Bio-fuels, and other alternatives. The big railroads here, Norfolk Southern, Union Pacific, and BNSF have been working on this for a few years. Here's a link regarding NS.
http://www.progressiverailroading.c...D-to-test-biodiesel-as-locomotive-fuel--23021
John
I wasn't talking about the total depletion of oil - I was talking about it suddenly becoming unavailable, even for a short while.
So I guess that your hurricane Sandy and what happened after is too unrealistic? But it did happen.
Fuel can also become unavailable in countries which import oil when the other countries stop exporting their oil. USA imports 4 billion barrels of oil and oil products each year (see eia.gov). In real life this kind of sudden lack of oil is most common in countries which buy their oil mostly from Russia.
But nobody would use oil if it's price would skyrocket. Even a railway has a limit for how costly fuel can it buy and not go bankrupt.
norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
I don't see what this has to do with the subject at hand. This was because local supply was cut (unable to be delivered) and people stockpiled the available fuel. I know exactly what this is like. I lived through that exact thing when hurricane katrina hit my home.
The best answer to your question is that it is very unlikely that fuel would become unavailable everywhere in 'America'.
OK but this had nothing to do with the question. He asked why the price was going up if there was enough.
activerail
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Just read an article in the local paper (Fresno Bee) that many or the diesels are going to be converted to natural gas (which the US has plenty of) resulting in less pollution.
BAZINGA!
Modern steam locomotion burning torrefied biomass, anyone?
http://www.csrail.org/
They still need $$$ to move ATSF 3463 from Topeka to Minnesota before modernization can begin!
And BTW: it takes much less technology to rebuild a steamer than a diesel, just more machinery.
Then you'll want Two Stroke engines, they make a nice humming sound.
UnumProvident155
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I don't think that is true because I read The diesel-burning locomotive, the workhorse of American railroads since World War II, will soon begin burning natural gas — a potentially historic shift that could cut fuel costs, reduce pollution and strengthen the advantage railroads hold over trucks in long-haul shipping.
Wow! This is a very good idea! I hope that they do succeed in realizing it!
And it would actually be very great in my country where there's plenty of biomass, wood, peat, politician leaflets and other burning things
